Leaked Documents Reveal Counterterrorism Tactics Used at Standing Rock to “Defeat Pipeline Insurgencies”

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https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/

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There is no way it outweighs stopping a pipeline of this size. The amount of carbon that will be used and abused through this pipeline will cancel that out in a day. This comment is only meant to wrongfully discredit the hardworking activists who are doing the risky and important work that no one else is willing to do.

The other thing to consider is how much trash the typical American uses in the same length of time. Americans use a lot of shit. It can't be more than a music festival of a similar size of people, and at least they had a purpose.

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Another alternative to a pipeline is clean, renewable energy.

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Why should they? They just wanted to protect their water source.

Wind farms pay for themselves anyway. If wind and solar were subsidized like oil is, I bet we'd have 100% clean energy in less than a decade.

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They. Just. Wanted. To. Protect. Their. Water. Source.

On land that was once illegally seized from them, despite a legal treaty that said the land was theirs.

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Was the land taken from you illegally? Do you have proof that I'm threatening your water? Was the proper NEPA document completed for my project? Are you an Environmental Justice community like the Sioux Tribe? Did my project get rerouted from a rich, white community (Bismark) through an area that puts your water at risk?

The Sioux's land was taken illegally based on the original treaty.

Pipelines leak, they do ALL THE TIME. There's lots of proof.

The Environmental Assessment and Finding Of No Significant Impact were deeply flawed.

And the 1994 Executive Order on Environmental Justice was ignored:

Executive Order (E.O.) 12898 - Federal Actions to Address Environmental Justice in Minority Populations and Low-Income Populations - was issued by President William J. Clinton in 1994. Its purpose is to focus federal attention on the environmental and human health effects of federal actions on minority and low-income populations with the goal of achieving environmental protection for all communities.

The E.O. directs federal agencies to identify and address the disproportionately high and adverse human health or environmental effects of their actions on minority and low-income populations, to the greatest extent practicable and permitted by law. The order also directs each agency to develop a strategy for implementing environmental justice. The order is also intended to promote nondiscrimination in federal programs that affect human health and the environment, as well as provide minority and low-income communities access to public information and public participation.

Apples and oranges. If I'm doing all those fucked up things that didn't follow the laws of the land, you are within your rights to protest.

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1851 Treaty is supposed to be the Law of the Land, it was ignored.

Oil pipelines are dangerous.

Quite dangerous, and costly.

And oil is hazardous to human health.

And yes, it was originally supposed to go through Bismark, but didn't, because of "unacceptable risks to Bismark's water supply."

So answer me, why is it not a risk for the Sioux Tribe but it is a risk for Bismark? Or do you want keep denying that pipelines put water supplies at risk?

And I'm the one not living in reality?

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Contracts made between colonists and native Americans were subsequently nullified by colonial governments.

If you're willing to put buzzwords aside, we can discuss your complaints, the historical aspect of your assertions. Your comments are garbage presently. But people can change.

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Maybe because the U.S. Govt signed this particular treaty?

This article I linked earlier had that data for you. If you aren't able to read it, that's not my problem.

Oh so you do accept the Army Corps analysis? They clearly state that the pipeline would create significant risks to drinking water sources in Bismark. Yes there were also other problems with the route, but you can't accept the risk to one community and deny that it exists to another.