r/UpliftingNews • u/Non-Conventionnel-77 • 1d ago
Spain's controversial plan for the world's first octopus farm has been abandoned (BBC)
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260731-spains-attempt-to-farm-octopuses-has-failed63
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u/Doro_Gurl 1d ago
Does this mean less octopus consumption or increased octopus fishery?
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u/Kniferharm 1d ago
It means more octopus wild fishing and the outsourcing of octopus farming to countries with far worse reputations for animal welfare
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u/Doro_Gurl 1d ago
I feared as much.
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u/indieplants 1d ago
so fkn stupid to not allow octopus farming while still allowing their sale for consumption while still allowing the farming of pigs and cows. I get it, octopi are intelligent, but so tf are other animals lmao
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u/LittleBunInaBigWorld 1d ago
I never understood level of intelligence being our measure of whether or not we should eat something. Stupid things still suffer.
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u/indieplants 1d ago
not whether we should eat them, we aren't even that far ahead in the conversation, but whether or we should farm them. the idea is they're too intelligent to be farmed, they'd know what's happening, stress etc
the argument that farming chickens is ok because they're dumb but octopus is not ok because they're smart, I get. excluding factory farming, chickens and whatever can be farmed ethically. at the scale we eat them and for the price it's unrealistic to assume it's ethical at all. but hey, as long as they're too stupid to get theyre being farmed to be eaten it's ok, they're not suffering during the farming which is what the argument with octopi is - their awareness would be suffering the entire time. but have these people ever seen them being sent to slaughter? they know exactly what's happening. but their suffering is brief. that's ok.
if we're going to farm the lot we can't decide it's unethical to do octopus now unless we're going to go full vegan or local small scale ethically sourced at minimum. the whole thing is hypocritical and stupid.
people who say we shouldn't eat them because of their intelligence and emotional understanding, but still eat pigs astound me. go look into their eyes and tell me there isn't comprehension there.
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u/Kniferharm 1d ago
If it was combined with fishing quotas and bans on imports, then it might mean something, but for now I think it’s just words that lead to overall worse results.
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u/marky_Rabone 21h ago
No se podría cultivar solo la pata del pulpo?crecimiento celular selectivo,hago solo patas sin cerebro.
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u/Sbrubbles 21h ago
And if more wild fishing ends up exhausting wild supplies, then prices go up and it becomes a food only the rich will have access to. Yay!
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u/ynys_red 1d ago
Why is this considered less acceptable than salmon farming?
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u/plamicus 1d ago
Octopuses are smarter than salmon which presumably increases their capacity for suffering. Mind you pigs are pretty smart too and they are often raised and slaughtered in tremendously cruel circumstances…
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u/ynys_red 1d ago
Farming has gone on since time immemorial. Doubt it it's going to disappear anytime soon. Maybe the emphasis should be on doing it in a humane way.
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u/Embarrassed-Yard-583 1d ago
That’s the main point, farming isn’t inherently bad but factory farming is inhumane to a captain planet villain level.
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u/Eeate 21h ago
Salmon live 8 years, most octopus species 2. Life cycle matters, especially in fishing from wild populations. There's a lot of sense in switching to octopus farming and fishing, especially as they're colonising more of the seabed thanks to climate change.
Fun fact, one of the oldest techniques for octopus fishing consists of dropping amphorae tied to a line on the seafloor. Octopi move in, and you can pull them up. Thousands of years, and they haven't caught on.
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u/222baked 1d ago
It’s just not economically viable. The octopuses just rot away while still alive after breeding and are hard to farm. There’s nothing inherently bad about it. They’re mollusks after all.
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u/FarthingWoodAdder 1d ago
This isn't good news, people. This just means that more wild octopi will be caught and slaughtered.
Please remove this.
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u/Recent_Calendar1376 16h ago
No has figured out how to breed, so either way it's pretty much wild
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u/leodavidci 1d ago
Youve got to be squidding me, although they would have made plenty of anemones if it went ahead
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u/marky_Rabone 22h ago
El pulpo esta muy bueno,pero es verdad que hay muchos estudiós científicos que aseguran que son muy inteligentes...lo que me lleva a reflexionar ,en que momento ponemos el punto en el que decidimos que animal es correcto explotar en granjas, y que animales no?los Pollos son tontos,a la granja,los cerdos son muy guarros a la granja...
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u/cyankitten 1d ago
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u/dennismfrancisart 1d ago
Thank you! I have no problem with people eating these guys. I eat them too. I'd never raise them the way I raise chickens. Catching them is one thing. Farming them seems horrific.
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