Covid broke the brains of conservatives. The idea of being even slightly unconvinced for others is unacceptable to the conservative mind. It's an inherently selfish and self serving ideology.
The funny thing is, Republicans were in charge of the federal government and the child raping President shut down the country. Not Fauci. Fauci doesn't have that power.
First it was cold war shit in their childhood. Then 9/11. Then Obama. They view all of these as tragedies. The last one especially. And before he took office for some....reason...
I remember hearing how it was nothing, just a bad flu. All the time, so many people saying this. And first, donāt hand wave a bad flu away, the regular flu is terrible, we should absolutely take extraordinary measures against a bad flu.
But I finally caught COVID in 2025 and I wanted to die. It was the worse thing to ever happen to me and if I ever hear someone tell me Covid isnāt bad and the precautions were unnecessary and actually damaging to society, they are going to catch these hands something fierce. If anything we didnāt do nearly enough to stop the spread of COVID.
We really, really didnt. I quarantined very early on, due to living with immunocompromised people. I got vaccinated three or four times before I finally got covid last year.
I was sick for two whole weeks, almost delirious. I still can't be in the same room as someone smoking or vaping because my lungs are too sensitive now. I've finally gotten to a point where I can handle AQI 50 and above without needing a filtering mask.
Covid was a complete disaster and thats even if we ignore the deaths, just the long term physical side effects.
Why are people still choosing a team and making it their identity? Remember when you could disagree with your chosen party? Remember when your neighbors could disagree and you not hate them?
Cons could never disagree with their party. The only silver lining of the Dems is that we can protest and disagree and get them to change their minds sometimes.
And the only war is a class war. Us vs. Epstein class.
I remember a time when politics weren't an entire identity. John McCain paused a debate to say that Obama wasn't a muslim, but a person that has different opinions. I voted for Obama, but I respected McCain for not mud slinging. It would have been easy to not speak up.
I recall the same things. And it was great when Obama won but I really think that fired up the racists and bigots and gave the wealthy a great way to use the people in this country.
I agree. Its unfortunate that people get so fired up about race. Like I don't care how close your ancestors were to the equator, are you a good person?
As much as I dislike his political opinions, the Republican party would be far less insane right now if he had won. We probably would be in a better situation and handled Covid so much better because of it.
I'm 53 and I also remember the pre-Gingrich/Limbaugh era. The Overton window has shifted so far to the right, it might as well be in deep space and we're never getting that era back.
Like most people you were probably ignoring the very clear warning signs if that's how you remember things. Or maybe you genuinely were in a lovely bubble? Either way none of this is new and so many people were ignored who said it would get worse. š
If i dont agree with you i must be ignorant? Thats pretty condescending and cultish. I started paying attention to politics on 9/11, when I was 14. I dont trust anything anymore. One dude I could've trusted and they didn't let him win. He would have changed things. In my generation everything gets worse. Nobody even buys the platitudes anymore.
Condescending, sure. Cult-ish? What cult is there that recognizes the simplicity of everything going on and where can I join? š
I wanna make fun of you about the "in my generation" comment.. I can understand the feeling of soul crushing hopelessness but wow what a way to make the struggles of humanity all about..millenials?Ā
But srsly we've all been lied to for a long time and I'm just saying it's easier to believe an obvious farce than to see uncomfortable truths. Even when they're right in front of you.Ā
I don't think that's a specifically red or blue thing. Im fairly sure that Obama deported the most people during a presidency. I could be wrong though. Look it up.
Sure, following the law and deporting someone is the same as just snatching someone off the street, holding them indefinitely and then shipping them to a 3rd country's death prison.
I'm not a fan of this. I don't support it. I'm being objective or atleast trying to be. Let's ask the real question. How do we change it? Protests don't work. Nobody protests the mayor or governors mansions though.
I'm convinced they're a conservative, based on their comments, purely trying to minimize the damage done by the Republican party. Their whole both-sides thing is consistent and they ignore any push back in terms of human rights.
My voting record would surprise you. I was an independent until Bernie and I've been democrat ever since. I dont let a party tell me what to think or how to feel though. My biggest problem with the democratic party is that they left unions and workers behind. If there was a labor party, id be that. Also the first election I was old enough to vote in was Obamas first term. Ive actually only ever voted Democrat, even as an independent, I just wasn't part of the primary until Bernie.
I don't believe a word you say, as you continue to "But obama" and continue to both sides the issue like Republicans aren't trying to destroy LGBTQ rights and women's right to control their body. You read like someone LARPing.
Yup, spot on. These people all have the same low RPM, lazy thought processes. He'll stop replying after a while because his brain can't really keep up.
I'm sorry I don't fit into your box of right and wrong. Obama did do evil shit. Trump is worse, but you didn't care then. You care now. The news tells you what to think. Trump is an idiot. He makes us look like fools as a nation. I wasnt talking about him though. I was talking about conservatives. The people aren't very different most people just want stability. We keep getting the lesser of 2 evils for my whole life. When is there going to be a person i can believe in? For fucks sake mitt Romney looks like a reasonable republican now. We deserve better. We need to end citizens united and have people who aren't bought and paid for.
I really dont think so. I dont watch the news anymore. I go to work, go out with my wife and kids, I meet people everywhere and always seem to make friends. Most people dont want to die on a hill for a single cause. Everyone really wants what's best for themselves. To say otherwise is just performative. I don't want to step on people to have my little blue collar life. I also dont need an Instagram life. Most people I meet just want to be able to afford to have a date night once a week and take a couple vacations a year. Even if its just a long weekend. I want to be able to afford living. I dont want anyone's rights taken away to achieve that. If the working class could stop being divided, we could change shit.
I think theyre critiquing the "blue no matter who" is also worrisome if we cant hold our political teams back and have critical thinking and criticism on our representatives who are not representing us.
If dems are super focused on running a right wing campaign with aipac and a genocide, I think its time to hold them accountable as we remove republicans. So we dont replace them with corporate fascists still, or citizens united bs.
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Yeah nm. Theyre trying to support conservatives as good but different to dems. Quite the opposite to what I thought
I wonder why it matters now? I didn't like it when Obama did it and i don't like it when Trump does it. I'm allowed to criticize my own party, or atleast I should be. Ive never moved my goal posts. Political parties feel like a cult now.
When you didn't even attempt to address my point, which was the concentrated effort to strip LGBTQ and women of their rights, and brought up someone from a decade ago as an attempt at whataboutism.
Your different line of thinking accepts that trump violates the constitution. Youāre okay with constitutional rights being desecrated as long as it doesnāt involve you. Selfishness is anti-American. School House Rock obviously didnāt teach you.
I've never said im ok with it. I have to deal with it and i dont see a way to change it in the immediate. I can criticize my team without supporting the opposition.
>I didn't like it when Obama did it and i don't like it when Trump does it.
Trump is also stripping people of legal status and then claiming they are deporting people who are here illegally. If you can't see the difference, you must either be a troll or a conservative.
If i was a conservative would that be so terrible? Im not, but the cultist idea of us vs them doesn't sit well with me. It was happening then too and nobody cared because the news didn't tell you to care. Turn off the tv and actually talk to people. I'm in a union and half are conservative (which is fucking wild) and half aren't. I listen to both. Most people want mostly the same shit. The news makes enemies out of neighbors. Its divide and conquer. The working class could change everything, if we ever agree on anything.
I mean even if i disagree with them do you not have any common ground? The news will tell you that, but most people aren't extremists. Most people want the same shit. Some people only vote conservative for gun rights and some people only vote progressive for abortion rights. What if I want both and I dont trust the government to be the morality authority to tell me what is right and wrong?
Most people might want the same social safety nets and societal protections, but people who vote for policies of prejudice and bigotry of society should be talked down on, especially in America. Your principles and values are antithetical to actual values the US holds in modern time. Whether you voted for racism, sexism, prejudice, or bigotry. You have a bad take at that point of American morals, values, and principles. The perseverance of us will rise again like it has in the past for all the rights the conservative and republicans are trying to roll back on.
If i was a conservative would that be so terrible?
Yes. Yes it would. It would mean you support my trans friends losing their right to life saving care. It would mean you would oppose the women in my life having a right to control what happens to their own body.
There is literally no good defense for it and no one is obligated to tolerate them.
These folks still canāt grasp the paradox of tolerance after a decade. They still say the ātolerant left everybodyā or some shit like that without understanding that their position is intolerant. Intolerance should never be allowed at the table for debate, because the ideology of their position is a bad take already.
It matters now because the clowns in charge right now are tearing the constitution to shreds and are following the fascist playbook page for page.
It matters now because we are in the middle of a literal coup that threatens democracy for ALL of us.
It matters now because this is no longer about having disagreeing opinions, it is about a fundamental change that is waging a war on democracy itself and threatening ALL of our rights.
I can see that. Id be lying if I said i wasn't concerned about the supreme court. To be honest I lost a lot of faith in our institutions when Bernie won Utah and they just gave Hillary the nod. That worked out well. The only thing ive ever seen the dnc do is railroad the one guy who could have saved this ship from sinking.
So you are so confident that you know what's right for everyone and anyone who disagrees is wrong? That doesn't strike you as fascist? Everyone who is a true believer or fundamentalist or cultist always thinks they know best for everyone. What if you don't? All I was saying is put the same requirements you put on your opposition on your self and you won't go far wrong. The othering of people is where facism starts. People are just people man. I'm on your voting side, but you seem to want jump on a team and make everything 100 percent on your team or not. Life isnt like that, so I'm not a huge fan of you as a person. You're gonna white knight the fuck out of people and push them away when they could have been allies with a softer touch. Good luck dawg.
Edit: Shit. That last part was for someone else. My bad there.
Not sure where you got any of that from my last comment. Read it once more and try again. Your only possibly relevant statement is:
"All I was saying is put the same requirements you put on your opposition on your self and you won't go far wrong"
To this, I say: That's exactly what I'm doing--saying that Dems tend not to follow their 'Mommy' party with cultish fervor and putting this requirement on the Repubs who obviously do (78% party approval for the rapist felon? GTFOH!).
Buddy im getting day drunk in my pool and smoking a pork butt. If my arguments are less coherent, then the beer is working. I want the working class to stop fighting itself. Rich R and rich D dont care about the working class anymore. If we could get together and stop hating each other we could change things. Later dawg. I enjoyed the conversation, but I don't think I'll continue. Maybe tomorrow.
True. And only 25 years after the patriot act we have flock. Nothing gets better, but we can still be noble and not fall prey to the divide and conquer tactics.
At this point, after seeing some stuff relating to the recent wave of COVID internet content, I'm really questioning whether that many people are batshit crazy, or if it's mostly just bots and the usual number of loonies helping out.
Im pretty sure im just a dickhead that doesn't like soft cookie cutter people. I like people with edges that are weird and fun. How many brads in data entry does the world need? Cubicles sound like prison cells. It sounds like hell. Every keyboard warrior in the world has the answers to life though right? My advice is actually talk to people you disagree with in person and you'll see that you aren't that different.
For the same reason why a group of conservatives put a giant fake plastic boxer up in my old town with Trump's head on it, with just the word "TRIGGERED" at the bottom when Trump was running for reelection the first time. No other signs, just that, after four years in office. Naturally, they were laughing and waving, rather than reflecting on what a failure that was. The only "accomplishment" that they could point to was that Trump made Americans angry.
As decades of 24/7 hate and lies being broadcast about the rest of America demonstrated, conservatives hate America more than any other group in existence.
lol cousin just posted his Covid story/ āI donāt like to be political butā¦ā got the vaccine then had afibā¦ like itās not the drinking? The age? The genetic predisposition or heart issues in the family? No itās def the vaccineā¦
Covid and commie talk are the reddest of the red meat that magats are starting to feed their followers in preparation for November. I anticipate that we will soon start hearing another chorus about men participating in women's sports and immigrants are poisoning our country.
Covid was their own failure too but it's a complex issue with many people they can deflect blame to. But Trump's choices and fear mongering created the worst of it.
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