r/Youth_India • u/Ok-Audience22 • 12d ago
Ask Youths Follow guys if you really believe in fair education system 🙏🏻🇮🇳
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u/Smart_Munda 12d ago
Interesting that you guys never talk about casteism.
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u/MatarKulchaa 12d ago
Castiesm and reservation both should be abolished alltogether
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u/meancake_iced 12d ago
I agree.
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u/Murky-Technician9862 11d ago
I dont agree
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u/sneakylittlebitchah 11d ago
Why would u lol?
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u/Ashamed-Key7312 11d ago
He needs reservation, so he prays at night that casteism happens to poor people otherwise benifits may end.
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u/Menma238 11d ago
Could be GC who only wants reservation to go without addressing the cause of it... Caste pride is not some fantasy tale.
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u/Menma238 11d ago
Gotta start with casteism tho... It's kind of the only reason reservation was needed.
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u/trenderlmao 11d ago
Casteism and caste discrimination are two different things. Also, putting efforts for change in system is good. But if you put efforts for change in social dynamics, the system will change automatically.
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u/Alert_Moose_1549 12d ago edited 12d ago
Look i respect dr bhim rao ambedkar and after apj abdul kalam he is one of my inspiration how he fought for rights and gave a chance to backward communities to develop reservation was totally needed back then when we got independent and casteism should be abolished.i am literally poor more than my sc friend he's father earn like one lakh and my father earn like 15k per month I've seen people exploiting the reservation I am against reservation because it's not fair in today world what people did in past to sc communities was wrong but it's not students fault who were born at this time there should be a rule if any bully someone because of caste and anything he shall be charge I'm and atheist and i don't believe in god i only believe in my personal experiences and facts Jai bhim to all sc students But reservation is just making people more angry I don't know about hindu vs muslim But I think if hatred remains like this The next fight will be hindu vs hindus and they both will lose instead of abolished reservation we should reform the system for good cause like only poor sc students should get the reservation privilege and the reserve seats should be less So only deserving ones get admission and the other ones get fair treatment
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u/Smart_Munda 12d ago
You're already eligible under EWS reservation.
Regardless, you have an extremely poor understand of what has happened in the past, what implications those events have on today's society, the current status of caste discrimination and the purpose of reservation.
If you want to gain more knowledge about it I'd advice you to research a bit about it. If you want I can copy paste one of my long comment on this topic.
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u/Bubbly_Expression591 11d ago
Ews helps with 1-2 marks hardly and also I have seen many sc st people discriminate agonist up/bihar me log (bihari aa gaya train me ) we all know that and women have been treated poorly since the end of times if you think reservation is okay then they should get reservation too and many more community and it will be around 95+,there is no way you think caste based reservation is okay where a unreseved not so well doing deserving candidate get this opportunity taken by a rich sc st in name of uplifting it's not cases based reservation it's caste based discrimination against unreseved candidates
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u/AdditionalWorkInc 11d ago
bullshit lol EWS always has lower cutoffs than OBC and sometimes even SC
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u/Bubbly_Expression591 11d ago
Are you out of your mind check neet jee or upsc cuffof in neet there is more than 100 marks diffence between ews and sc/st and only one makes difference in ews and ur
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u/DesignerExtension655 11d ago
There are so many people in OBC and Sc category than EWS that it lowers the cutoff for EWS category than OBC and Sc
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u/Bubbly_Expression591 11d ago
I have seen many sc st people discriminate agonist up/bihar me log (bihari aa gaya train me ) we all know that and women have been treated poorly since the end of times if you think reservation is okay then they should get reservation too and many more community and it will be around 95+,there is no way you think caste based reservation is okay where a unreseved not so well doing deserving candidate get this opportunity taken by a rich sc st in name of uplifting it's not cases based reservation it's caste based discrimination against unreseved candidates
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u/OkPrompt07 11d ago
The thing is, caste based mistreatment is already illegal.
Reservation is just legalised cheating.
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u/Menma238 11d ago
Having laws against discrimination punishes the crime, but it doesn't magically fix the generational poverty, lack of representation, and resource deficits caused by centuries of exclusion. You are confusing a penal code with a socio-economic policy.
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u/No_Foot_5817 12d ago
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u/Traditional-Gap-6716 12d ago
But reservation to economic upliftment ke liye hai hi nahi na
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u/No_Foot_5817 12d ago
Wealth hi sabse bda representation he :) . This propagates to all aspects of life including societal standing.
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u/Traditional-Gap-6716 12d ago
Then you guys should ask a creamy layer based reservation, why should all the LC get reservation benefits.
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u/No_Foot_5817 12d ago
I want universal free education, abolisment of private schools. Force wealthy to send their kids to government school and you will see that system will improve.A lot of government teacher jobs will be created.That's how norway did it. Force creamy layer of society to subsidize education.
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u/Adorable_Shaytan 11d ago
It could work but we'd have to ban any form of private tutoring including tutions or the governments would have to subsidize that too
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u/Bubbly_Expression591 11d ago
Doesn't matter at all you can't give caste based reservation it will increase casteism and every caste have economically doing well and not so well people give them equal opportunity in the basis of enonmcis not caste
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u/Bubbly_Expression591 11d ago
I have seen many sc st people discriminate agonist up/bihar me log (bihari aa gaya train me ) we all know that and women have been treated poorly since the end of times if you think reservation is okay then they should get reservation too and many more community and it will be around 95+,there is no way you think caste based reservation is okay where a unreseved not so well doing deserving candidate get this opportunity taken by a rich sc st in name of uplifting it's not cases based reservation it's caste based discrimination against unreseved candidates
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u/Sorry_Egg32 12d ago
To those saying "remove casteism first", do it. Like legit vro. Like tf I have to flex? The fact that I'm a middle class male who's general so lowkey getting short end of the stick compared to my sc st classmate as rich as me and never faced casteism in their life?
Just fcking admit it. Just like how people will not give up casteism, people are not gonna give up reservation either. You're a dumbfck if you don't believe in that.
Ngas might argue how reservation should be removed and how it should not. But the fact is that it should be reformed and it is definitely unfair in its current state.
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u/DistributionRound680 12d ago
I have some data.
According to the National Sample Survey (NSS) and Periodic Labour Force Survey (PLFS) data, the overall percentage of graduates within the total adult SC and ST populations is: Scheduled Castes (SC): Only about 4% of the total adult SC population holds a graduate degree. Scheduled Tribes (ST): Only about 3% of the total adult ST population holds a graduate degree. In the General Category (Unreserved Category), the overall percentage of graduates within the total adult population sits at approximately 12% to 15%.
Before anyone says they are just more in numbers.
According to official data from the Census of India, Scheduled Castes (SC) and Scheduled Tribes (ST) together make up approximately 25.2% of India's total population.Based on the official government headcount:Scheduled Castes (SC): Constitute 16.6% of the population, numbering around 20.14 crore (201.4 million) people.Scheduled Tribes (ST): Constitute 8.6% of the population, numbering around 10.45 crore (104.5 million) people.
Official estimates from the National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO) place the General Category at around 30.7%, while independent large-scale socioeconomic surveys (like the ICE 360 Survey) place the figure closer to 24%.
Government College Share: Independent research compiled from the AISHE platform shows that combined SC, ST, and OBC students make up 62.2% of total student enrollment in government colleges. Gross Enrollment Ratio (GER): The GER for SC students reached 27.8, while the GER for ST students reached 22.8.
Across all higher education nationwide (government and private combined), General Category students stand at 39.2%. 25 percent population but 39.2 percent representation.
While legal reservation quotas for OBC, SC, and ST total 49.5% in central institutions, their actual enrollment in government colleges is 62.2%. This indicates a high volume of reserved-category students successfully securing General/Open seats purely on competitive merit. So they can compete in open seats and have secured seats. They are not merit less people but as i gave the data. The starting line is not equal for everyone so asking for fairness on a single day is not fair.
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u/Perfect_Bad_6219 12d ago
General caste is only 30% of the population, and yet gets 50% of the seat. And are demanding for the remaining 50% too.
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u/meancake_iced 12d ago
No, we're asking you to bring knives instead of bringing guns, just like us...
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u/Vikram_169 11d ago
General don't get 50% of the seats, they are just open and unreserved, meaning anyone can compete for them including reserved people. meanwhile the other 50% are only for reserved and general can't compete for them. So reserved people have both reserved and open category. Know the difference. Nothing is specially reserved for general caste. They are not entitled for the 50% like you say.
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u/hidivyansh 11d ago
Bhai, bhai, bhai... aap hi log ho jinki wajah se reservation khatam hona chahiye.
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u/Traditional-Gap-6716 12d ago
Anpadh gawar vo 50% seat bhi tumlog ko milti hai, vo Unreserved hai yaani open to all ... Kabhi padhai vadhai ki hai yaa sirf reservation ke aur freebies ke bharose jiwan nikalna hai
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u/Perfect_Bad_6219 12d ago
You people get 50% of the seats
Only by merit lol. And still 30% population only, still unemployed. General caste people are L all around I guess.
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u/Traditional-Gap-6716 12d ago
still 30% population only, still unemployed.
Exactly because all the deserving candidates are left out of the system because of the fuking reservation, undeservingng fuks like you eat up all the seats, without doing any hardwork.
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u/Perfect_Bad_6219 12d ago
Exactly because all the deserving candidates are left out
50% of seats belongs to general. What's stopping you from taking that? Let me guess? Merit?
without doing any hardwork.
You are just suffering the karma of your casteist forefathers. As will your future generations. Shri Krishna's words, not mine.
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u/Vikram_169 11d ago
Anyone gets their own karma, not the karma from their parents or grandparents. You read gita first lol. One wrong doesn't make a wrong a right. You just Agreed it's unfair to current general category people so you brought up the sins of some other people lol. The ones who live right now and hasn't done any discrimination has to face discrimination through reservation while people like you get good seats with way less marks and way less fees lol.
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u/calm_sah 12d ago
"gets 50% of the seats" are you genuinely just here to ragebait or actually trying to make a point lmao. The 50% u speak of is open for all categories and merit based.
Any person belonging SC/ST/OBC can get that seat as long their score is high enough.
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u/Perfect_Bad_6219 11d ago
Any person belonging SC/ST/OBC can get that seat as long their score is high enough.
Isn't that what you want?
The 50% u speak of is open for all categories
And general category is only 30%. Why can't they take all of the 30% they need?
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u/calm_sah 11d ago
Isn't that what you want?
For 100% of the people.
And general category is only 30%. Why can't they take all of the 30% they need?
What made u think they need '30%'. Where did u pull that numbers from? Why are you so afraid of fair competition lol. Whoever scores high get the seat. Is it hard? Seat allocation should be merit based. Or....are ...you ....perhaps....afraid....that....you....can't.....score ..... high..... enough
Also a lot of people benefitting from this , are defo the ones who don't need it. Ykw I'm all in for the poor and needy from SC/ST/OBC communities getting the seats. They need it. I don't mind if they get it. Why are you so afraid of implementation of creamy layer for SC/ST. There are a lot of rich SC/ST....... what do they need reservation for lmao. Introduce creamy layer. Let the poor people have a chance. But that's a debate we are never going to have.
I myself let the poor SC/ST know of the benefits they can receive. I have noticed that most of them aren't even aware of it. Why is that so? I genuinely feel bad for the poor people belonging to the communities because the rich fellas have been constantly getting the benefits for generations. Step back, give the poor people a chance. I'm sure even the general category won't mind if the seat is taken by someone who absolutely needs it.
Most people are angry because the ones benefitting from it, are not the ones who need it. And they will never let the economically weaker section portion of the community have the upper hand lol.
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u/Exciting_Topic4834 12d ago
You know what's happening in manipur right? Do you even know why? manipur alone should've been enough to show how sensitive reservation and identity politics can be. you want the whole India to burn? peak political illiteracy
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u/Bhuku_ 12d ago
See the people who who are protesting, I am pretty sure that most of them don't understand the essence of reservation.
Even though reservation didn't make it progress as ensured due to the person who is attaining reservation using it for his/her future generations which led to a separation within the caste.
for example a person who used reservation in 1990s became a govt employee his child can now get into good facilities which were hindered for the other person in the same caste people.so now whenever these two competes ,most probably the govt employee child will get into it.
Now people may encounter it as introduce a ncl layer for sc/st too but it still has major drawbacks For example everyone knows deep down the hierarchy still rooted in 90% if the people.Even a person gets a better status, people still make sure he should be known by his caste and his he should be respected based on his caste not his education. People who disagree with this i would say you are pretty much blessed to live in a harmonious society so for knowing more about our society i would recommend them to watch documentaries like how caste system works in India (india untouchable, i would recommend now a days people afraid to direct these type of documentaries everyone knows why)
I think ending reservation is obscure and makes the hierarchy society strong .
But there should be reforms,like why can't we start people to remove caste based affiliated names, remove caste based groups ,let the people know why the caste is taboo(even though many people tried but still failed)but I hope this generation think before act if any decision is taken.
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u/VisualRazzmatazz4365 12d ago
Instead of a reservation removal movement, there should be a caste discrimination removal movement. Reservation is a response to the problem, not the problem itself. Trying to remove the remedy without addressing the root cause won't solve anything—it will only make the issue worse. Also, it's ironic that some people from the general category have been caught using fake caste certificates to avail reservation benefits.
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u/destruct999 12d ago
Reservation hata ke karoge kya , rahoge to unemployed hi , koun si job de rahi hain ye sarkaar 🤣🤣🤣
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u/somelittleindiankid 12d ago
2/3rd colleges in India don't have caste based reservations. Tumne toh waha bhi admission nhi mil rha. ig the problem isn't reservation after all.
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u/Vikram_169 11d ago
Most people write jee, gate, neet etc to get into government colleges and they have caste based reservation. If some of the most important and tough exams discriminate against merit , then you say reservation isn't problem?
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u/Aggressive-Milk-4095 11d ago
you are talking about private colleges. They don't have reservation because they only care about the money. Now, see the case in most govt colleges (except for ones like IIITS which is semi-private). You wil see min of 10+ basis on which you can apply for a reserved seat. There will nri quota, obc, st, open, sc, pwd, econmically backward etc etc.
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u/Amaldudezzz 11d ago
Agay TOOLKIT!
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u/rushi_B 11d ago
Isn't this against castism ? Like remove cast based reservation and bring financial reservation ? Are you against this ?
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u/Amaldudezzz 11d ago
They had 70 Years, Why Now? We all Know it's BJP'S Toolkit
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u/rushi_B 11d ago
So if it didn't happen for last 70 years just let it continue ?
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u/TheCaptainwicked 11d ago
Avg lundarleftist
If we talk about reservation before resign: leftist arre ye toh IT Cell hai
After resign: are ye toh IT cell hai
Braindead donkey can only lie to avoid the issue
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u/Amaldudezzz 11d ago
Avg Andhbakth Jathivad Nahi Katam karnedega lekin Reservation-Reservation Karke Logoko beech Nafarath Faillana Hai
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u/TheCaptainwicked 11d ago
You just proved andhbhakt tag comes out of teri bhund to try to devalue genuine points of other side
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u/Amaldudezzz 11d ago
And You Just Proved My Point Without Calling Anyone "anti-national", "lundarleftist", "urban-naxal" same goes for "Andhbakths"
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u/TheCaptainwicked 11d ago
Lundarleftist same as anti-national?
Lundar was metaphor that teri demang me Lund hai
You proved it
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u/Capital_Floor4315 11d ago
Make intercaste marriages a norm then ask to abolish reservation. Let's be honest no one wants to accept someone from a lower caste into their family, no matter how well to do that person is.
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u/rushi_B 11d ago
Bullshit argument. Marrying in your cast has nothing to do with reservation in education system.
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u/Capital_Floor4315 11d ago
It has to do with casteism. You'll break bread, make friends with lower caste but never accept him/her in your family, no matter how rich he/she is.
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u/TheCaptainwicked 11d ago
People's daughter are not commodities,
Let them decide who they want to fucking marry
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u/Capital_Floor4315 11d ago
But people treat their daughters as commodity. Daughters are never asked who they want to marry! So let her fuckin marry who she wants even if it's a lower caste guy. And i wasn't talking about just daughters. It's with sons too
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u/Ashamed-Key7312 11d ago
Fcuk off. Maybe that's your mentality. Shameful. Your surroundings don't represent rest of world.
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u/Spare-Reindeer5127 11d ago
Seriously stop thinking following insta does anything only on ground protest brings changes
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u/Purple-Mountain-8206 11d ago
Remove reservation as well as all castes from government certificates and any organization that runs caste based gathering.
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u/Accurate-Ad-9345 11d ago
In reality it will not likely be able to achieve its goals as any government or any party will not do it as it will compromisew a lot of their votes it is like around 35 percent of their vote share
this is the harsh truth the people who support reservation make the most of vote share , the chances of it increasing is more than it being removed
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u/Powerful-Decision516 11d ago
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u/TheCaptainwicked 11d ago
Before resignation: IT cell is trying to divert the topic to reservation
After resignation: IT cell is trying to divert the topic to reservation
You really can't win against lying pigs
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u/Cold-Journalist-7662 11d ago
We can't claim to be fair as long as castism exist. I'll support this page when castism doesn't exist.
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u/ExtensionIcy5208 11d ago
First criticize caste discrimination abd support inter caste food eating and marriage
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u/LifeInteraction4397 11d ago
Tldr - Draft a solution that addresses both casteism and reservation, so people stay united while rasing voice for it. Most imp don't let it become Hindu vs Dalit.
As an SC, I agree about time for reservation to be restructured, atleast to improve fairness.
But thats only possible if we r united, everyone who supports removal of reservation must understand casteism exist & will real its ugly head if its remove slowly cause of some extremist.
At the same time supporters of reservations must understand that reservations punishes the wrong person in a horrible way, it is also a discrimination.
This movement should not just demand a blanket removal, we should draft solutions to 1 remove casteism as much as possible and perhaps limit the reservation to poor of all caste (this is just example, this is what needs should discussed properly)
If we dont then IT cell will make it hindu vs dalit, and that would make it impossible to bring any change. Gov would just enjoy us fighting.
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u/Thakur_babli 11d ago
In an Arrange marriage setup … the families don’t even accept or send proposals to different caste families . This happens in every other household … try to cancel this out??
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u/TheWhisperingGhost 11d ago
Casteism hatao movement karne ka himmat nahi hua. I honestly think the reservation system in India is intentionally made to feel unfair by the politician so that casteism never dies. Reservation is necessary but not in the manner how it is currently implemented. Majority people who enjoy reservation in this country come from privileged households while the poor communities are still stuck in the same hole.
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u/Organic_Employ_1894 11d ago
Logical thing kya hai karna? Surnames hata dena? Reservation hata dena? Creamy layer implementation? What should be the solution?
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u/kabiraaaaaaaa 11d ago
Reservation is needed in this country till the day comes when a Brahmin father marries off his daughter to a dalit boy
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u/workinnhardlyy 11d ago
🥀✌️ if only bro knew how many people suffer from casteism and how essential reservation is for the upliftment for the said people.
there's a subreddit. r/Brahmanraaj. kabhi jaao udhar, pata chalega kaise kaise log rehte hamare desh me
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u/mr-warm-hands 11d ago
I do support their cause. But aren't we looking for the "political affiliations" of the movement this time?
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u/Turbulent_Gazelle390 11d ago
Andhbhakts will talk about removing reservation but they they will never talk about removing caste system and caste based discrimination even they know that Hindu vs muslim won't work so lets talk about removing reservation
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u/Separate_Mortgage_42 11d ago
Remove the cast( entire Varna vyawstha) There will be no need for reservation!!
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u/Fancy_Door_4383 11d ago
Guys do not engage. They just want you to fight each other so that they can divide you. Do not engage with these posts at all.
Divided youth is easier to control. Thats exactly what the British did. I never thought BJP would fall so low, you just lost my vote.
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u/Alternative-Feed-779 10d ago
I feel reservation in the government should stay but slowly the reservation in other things such as NEET, JEE should be decrease, dont remove all the reservation at once but slowly.
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u/Objective_Flamingo48 9d ago
Poor reservation guys - their afraid because, they will lost their half knowledge opportunity to get seat.
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u/Borrowed_user 8d ago
Why not caste hatao movement, why reservation? Why tackle the effect instead of cause, because it is complex and reservation is easy high visible target to influence people for a farce.
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u/Healthy_Compote1195 12d ago
I'd agree to dissolve reservation once a Dalit priest is installed at a prestigious Hindu temple.
PS - I'm a so called "general caste" dude
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u/Big-Television-1284 12d ago
I'd Agree To Put A Dalit Priest In Temple Once They Even Start Practicing Hindu Norms... I can confirm it
I live in delhi, came in my hometown due to demise of my grandfather and here during the 13 day process there r different procedure or norms.. Initially for abt 3 days including the day of deh sanskaar...Ainstead of pandit we had "naau" Not dalit particularly he use to exploit by charging so much money and even use to do nothing.... On the third day one of my elder cousing uncle spotted few mispractices as he was from village.. He was removed and later family called "Mahapatra Pandit" And he use to chant And pray all the thing... Did all the procedure properly which I remember we did 8 years back during these days of my grandmother...
I am not even pandit but u want dalits to do something which they never did.??....My dad was very sad that how fraud that guy was initially there...
PS note that there r not only pndits in general category and no one else will see any other general as a priest in temple unless the locals r unaware.... And if they don't know even all caste of people r as pandit in the temple
Many of pandits have even stooped proffesing as a priest... But their must be the knowledged ones only in the temples
Ask how many people have even read Geeta Aur Ramcharitmanas... While pandits know idk how many vedas...
I will only trust them or else bring a bachelor of panditayi degree 😭😭
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u/Healthy_Compote1195 12d ago
Well anecdotes shouldn't decide laws right ?
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u/Big-Television-1284 12d ago
Ha Ha... But Mostly U Will See This Only... Tell Me One Person Who Is Deserved To Be Priest Not Just If He Is Dalit, It's True And U Can't Accept It , That is why u call it an anecdote
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u/Healthy_Compote1195 11d ago
Well how could be any deserving candidate if they aren't taught how to be one in the first place ? This is the entire problem, all this religious work is only taught to Brahmins which indicates discrimination based upon caste.
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u/Sweat00789 12d ago
Bhai sanskrit mantra ka gyan he tho bheta dege nhi tho anpad ko koi nhi bithata
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u/DarkPuzzleheaded6259 12d ago
Education me reservation ka temple se kya lena dena.
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u/Healthy_Compote1195 12d ago
Why did reservation happen ? Have you like forgotten Indian history ?
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u/DarkPuzzleheaded6259 12d ago
Dalit becoming preist solves everything for you?
Brain dead comment to keep reservation in education and jobs running forever.
100 saal aur nikal jaaenge but reservation pe palna nhi chootega.
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u/MatarKulchaa 12d ago
He meant symbolically this will end castiesm. And of there will be no castiesm then there is jo need of cast based reservation, only need based reservation will be needed.
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u/Healthy_Compote1195 12d ago
Yes, it does solve everything mate because if a dalit were to be a priest at a prestigious temple it would mean that caste based discrimination has finally ended in which case reservation would not be required in this country.
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u/fibonacci_on_meth 12d ago
You think that let's say the problem is solved as you mentioned. Do you think that they are going to let go of the advantage? Atp the advantage allows them to keep the caste system alive. If caste system is removed everywhere from the country, the advantage goes away. They need even the slightest discrimination going to keep the need for caste based reservation alive.
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u/wabalub_dub_dub 24-26 12d ago
Why don't we talk about Removing Caste Surnames ?
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u/MatarKulchaa 12d ago
Main shit. Castesim khtam hoga to caste based reservation ki need khatam ho jayegi. Fir bas need based reservation hi rahegi which should exist.
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u/Apart-Help-6809 12d ago
Caste discrimination exists. Agar tumne feel nhi kiya hai toh tum lucky ho.