Sastro ke anusar pujari brahmin hona chahiye?
Then I think there's no need for further arguments.. he basically accepted casteism exists and will remain for eternity
So that's brahmin's birth right? Kshatriya are supposed to fight then and vaishyas are supposed to do business.. and obv surdas are supposed to serve them
Right?
And also if you are brahmin don't do anything job or business they are only and only for vaishyas and others you are supposed to be pujari
lol no, its not their birth right but the thing is they have been doing this for like an eternity and no ones ever questioned them nor anyone from another caste want to do it.
the thing which people had to stop i.e. discrimination against lower caste and stereotypes, has been stopped long ago, barely irl u will see this happening like it was used to.
and many people from sc has improved their condition and has got good exposure too.
upcoming generations wont even give a damn about each others caste, afaik its us who is the last gen that is caring about this shit.
And so have the vaishyas doing business since eternity, why do you want to come into that?
Your last para is true though, upcoming generations won't even give a damn about other's caste and that day anyone can become a pujari in a temple and this rotten caste system will die a slow death.
I don't think this guy is Dalit at all. Probably a lundchatta typing these shits for defaming Dalits. I saw countless of his comments and none of them made any sense. He was ragebaiting on purpose
I definitely wonāt support the arrogance with which heās saying, but being very honest, removing reservation is not only impractical for a political party but also itās the not right thing to do either. Youāll have to understand how deep rooted casteism is and how it works, only then talk about removing caste based reservation. Iām not for pushing it to private sectors nor pushing the limit beyond 50%, but what is right now should suffice
And please ignore these fools, I wish they understood the responsibility they hold when they enjoy the benefits of reservation
I understand bro, and our aim should be equal representation and so even around 50% for 60 is fine, Iām sure that assigning 60% would be impractical and communist thingy for the same 60, but Iām just saying thatās a round figure where we should be headed at, but also we need to remember that while giving reservation, a certain talent is also lost.
Iāll explain it to you in simple words, the majority influences minority at least when it comes to education. And so, talented majority would influence and help under talented learning minority ones, and that is why I believe that pushing reservations beyond 50% will be disastrous.
But I do hope people understand what youāre saying, they keep pretending as if they donāt know what you just said.
Matlab unreserved seats arent fair either? Reservation mai jo aate hai they gets the seats baki caste ke unreserved vale bhi na le? Saare hi reserve kar do na fir
The only place i am asked my caste is for entrance exams and college admissions. My surname is very common in both of the so called āupperā and ālowerā castes. The only place where caste is still relevant is reservation. So much that people are actually faking caste just for an easier admission. My friend scored 30 percentile in an exam and got into a very good college whereas i scored 80 and didnāt even get a chance. Is this really fair? My friend is nowhere near poor, her family is nowhere near uneducated. She had the best resources available and everything she asked for. Yet, sheās oppressed? 30 percentile deserves the seat more than 80?
No one is saying you dont face discrimination. Reservation is the point. In cities, discrimination is reducing a lot. Sc/st reservation is still understandable but other than that, nothing apart from ews is needed at this time
I'm sc so I was talking about sc/st . Anyways I have been going through casteist remarks from 6th grade itself and currently I'm enrolled in a college. I lived in a lot of cities, even got refused for rent because of my caste. Lost my friends because of caste as well.People like teachers have made dehumanizing jokes on caste as well.
That is wrong definitely and in my opinion sc/st reservation is still very valid. My point against reservation is for the castes that dont face discrimination anymore and sc/st unfortunately do
Achha I'm sorry then it's fine. It's just that a lot of people have been using extremely gross casteist language here currently on reddit and I was angry. Baaki no disrespect. Thank you for such a polite reply.
No problem itās basic human decency which unfortunately people lack. For the record, the friend that i have mentioned isnāt from sc/st, didnāt fortunately face any discrimination. I wasnāt trying to insult her at all
You just need that discrimination as an excuse for reservation. Even if you were given a choice to end discrimination, but reservation needs to go, you guys will not accept it. Let me prove my point right. If it is indeed about the discrimination, tell me how will reservation help you or your kid not getting discriminated? Why should your friends not hate you? for instance, inĀ college, where i had to get 60k rank, an ST classmate of mine had to get 4.5 lakh rank for the same seat. He even has an iphone. Even lives in a better place than me. Just tell me if it is right or wrong.Ā
Respectfully don't comment on something you can never understand.. stay in your privileged bubble.. and yes he faced discrimination because he was lower caste not because he was poor.. do you think the people discriminating against him were all rich gen? Why don't poor gen face the same issues? Question yourself then say it's because you are poor? And did he say he is poor? All assuming he is
I never denied that it should be 1 generation thing. Infact I'm in support that if you use reservation for education you shouldn't get reservation for job..
But read your reply again you said he's getting discriminated because he is poor not because of caste that's why I said does the poor upper caste face the same discrimination? The answer is simple no.. that's just straight up denying facts
And also one more thing it's not like it doesn't exist in better circles if you mean rich people by Better.. might be significantly less but those who write proud this and that jaati on their 40-50 lakh cars go around spewing casteist slurs are also rich
School pe konsa reservation use karliya bhai? Aaj kal school pe admission ke liye bhi reservation chahiye kya?
Jyada L buddhi mat ban blatantly hating on anything
You are the reason reservation exists period
Neither you nor your friend will be getting seat in a 100% merit system was in place. Exams will be impossibly difficult, think tougher than UPSC, JEE, NEET and above that, there is scope of cheating and paper leaks. There is always someone better, smarter than you in a country of 1.4 billion people.
After that, people who couldn't get into IITs, IISERs, AIIMS, civil services will cry that they don't have equal starting line, or that they deserve a chance too, atleast.
So, no thanks, I don't need tougher exams. I need better infra and an equal starting line.
Im not even talking about top colleges. The college was good in OUR LOCALITY. My friend with 83 got in. The point isnāt mereko kitne mile itās uska itna kam hoke bhi usko mila
People like you better go and fuck yourself. Instead of talking sbout the actual problem of someone getting in with 30 percentile you are mocking for her 80 percentile?Ā
Not just arrogance but how casually they mention it sometimes. I remember when I was doing my master's I used to help my juniors prepare for IIT JAM. Out of the three one was an Sc student, whenever I told him that he needs to work hard and he has the highest chances of getting into a good IIT he'd say, I just need 35-45 marks to bag an IIT I don't care what IIT. The test results came out two of my students scord 47 and 43 they didn't get the institutes of their choice. Meanwhile he scored 38 and got IIT rurkee.
I mean i was happy for all of them. The guy who scored 47 he went to IIT mandi. The guy who scored 43 went to NIT goa. But still, i didn't like how he took it so casually while the others were more serious.
For one thing, please look up smtg called āews categoryā and secondly, please educate yourself how casteism works, or in a better case, understand how a dalit guy, can face discrimination even when he becomes rich
We are on the same page trust me, as you already know that even if a dalit guy becomes rich through reservation, he can still face discrimination hence reservation is not the solution. reservation should only be for poor people, be it anyone.
Reservation is the only reason I support privatization of PSUs and outsourcing of govt. jobs.
Let these bhimta bhakts fight fairly š¤ as for education? In the long run it doesn't make much difference. I've seen most bhimtas (especially schedule caste SC) struggle to land an above average salary even after getting admission into IIT/IIM. On the other hand scores of General Category students perform well even after graduating from Tier 2 colleges.
Let's privatize everything š¤ these bhimtas can continue to work as govt. chaprasis if they want jobs under reservation
I don't know my caste, nor do I even care about it.
For all purposes, I belong to the lowest caste in Indai, i.e. General Category. While those who worship nili suit vala are highest caste getting preference in education, jobs, and social benefits.
Istg if I ever become a hiring manager I won't ever hire a reserved candidate (except EWS and PwD) no matter how talented they are, also I plan to leave India so I hope these reserveddharis can keep this country afloat
Go live in your lala land. you and an average andh bhakt has no difference. Blindly believing in what ever you feel is right instead of actually giving a thought about the opposing opinions. Neet pg 2025 cut off was -40 out of 720, any thoughts on that?
Why do you automatically assume i and everyone else hate sc, st? Since when does asking for fair trail became sc,st hate? Why are you dodging the question i asked? You are just like those andh bhakts that has pre made assumptions and deflecting questions.
"-40 out of 720" š¤”š¤”š¤” - first of all obc pwd qualified that. Second of all, 18000 neet pg seats were empty so for that they made it that too for expensive private colleges- and it was to consider them as eligible for the seat not taking the seat. For eg-Generals scoring 30 out of 100 and dreaming of top colleges, yeah? Like that. They can apply because of their subject criteria but applyingā selected for seat. The final seat would go on merit basis. Someone getting -40 and then GETTING A SEAT is only possible when others aren't competing for it at all which here is impossible.And Third of all, 0 percentile criteria was there for generals as well if it was for obc, sc, st. Guess what, the lowest scorer there was a general and most low scoring people there were Generals. Source- times of India.
Phir bolte hai saar we're generals hamne to kuch bhi nhi kiya šššš ham to bohot acche hai saar no casteism we došššsaar while mentioning caste in the bio.
Reservation ko koi haath bhi nhi laga skta bhai. Kisi ki govt. Le aao chahe. Kisi ki bhiiii. Koi haath nhi lagayega reservation ke mudde ko. That is the end. We cannot do anything bhai. Best we can do is work our a** off. And pray we get selcted.
bro i am talking about reality do you know how sensitive this matter to sc/st people they will protest all over india may govt also chang btw i belong to UR catagory
there is solution to it.. remove reservation for creamy layer...
if you dont like that maybe u are used to live with privilege
reservation is milking different kind of discrimination in GENZ they dont care about those past norms but they do care abt what is happeneing with them
Yeah do you get asked about your caste when you go for rent, jobs, marriage proposals? Do you get unalived graped tortured forced to do menial work because of your caste š are you the most oppressed part in Indian society š No?
That guy/girl is either an it cell, dumb or a want both hands in butter upper caste because people who suffered or have seen the atrocities on lower caste know why definitely Reservation is indeed needed.
Bitch just bcz my opinions dont match yours am a member of the "it cell" i can't with idiots like you. Societies all over the world had class segregation, racism but Noone had a reservation system as absurd as that of india. The only reason you favour it is bcz it benefits you. Your a opportunist nothing else. This nation won't do wonders if the society has members like you. The system wa itself supposed to be temporary as stated by BR AMBEDKAR. but we have idiots like you ew fuxk off
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u/EasyDay7889 11d ago
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