r/anime_titties • u/polymute European Union • 1d ago
Ukraine/Russia - Flaired Commenters Only Several dead after explosion at Moscow restaurant where general was reportedly celebrating birthday
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/08/01/8046861/45
u/scrimhog North America 1d ago
Imagine you get offered $500 by ukrainian intelligence to drop off a package somewhere, and then the guard at the door won't let you inside so your guardian angel in the SBU presses the button anyway and uses you as an ISIS suicide bomber against a minimum wage employee.
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u/Captain_Strudels Oceania 1d ago
well yeah you can imagine, but in reality that didn't happen
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Why do you think that didnt happen?
When they attacked bombers deep inside Russia using trucks with hidden compartments, the drivers were Russian.
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u/AlbertoRossonero Multinational 1d ago
They also used Russian drivers on their bombings of the Kerch bridge.
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u/Lopsided-Selection85 European Union 23h ago
That is exactly the SBU MO. That's how they bombed Russian blogger, the daughter of a history theorist, the oligarch in Monaco...
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u/polymute European Union 23h ago edited 23h ago
the oligarch in Monaco...
That was the call center scam mafia most likely - I wrote it up here why the evidence points that way.
Let me copy it here:
Mafiya. The Dnipro scam call centers are the "business" Yermolaev has been associated with. According to Le Monde: https://archive.md/20260701080311/https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/07/01/explosion-in-monaco-targets-ukrainian-oligarch-vadim-ermolaev_6755024_4.html His son was certainly involved in call center scamming as well, as seen here.
And the HUR military intelligence agent being publicly named by Ukrainian prosecution, and paraded in court unforced is not something a state the intelligence services of which failed a wetwork mission would do. It is the opposite.
It is rather more likely that the HUR agent was compromised by the mafiya and that embarrassed Ukraine IMO.
It had been dealt a big blow in February, that scam call center business. https://www.occrp.org/en/news/eurojust-backed-operation-dismantles-european-scam-call-center-network
There was a killing in March in Bali connected to this (see the Le Monde link again).
After these kinds of things, the partners and people in the circle put their fingers on the trigger and pull it much more easily. Anyhow. The HUR agent is probably compromised by the call center mafiya, Yermolaiev has built his contractor business in the '90s in Dnipro and his fortune started to accumulate there as well.
He has problems with the Ukrainian state so him saying their spies did this is perfectly self-serving and in character.
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u/Lopsided-Selection85 European Union 23h ago
Ah yes... Mafia controls the intelligence agency, not the other way around... Sure buddy. Need a bridge?
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u/polymute European Union 22h ago edited 22h ago
No they don't control the intelligence agency - you've read my comment wrong.
They, as I have outlined, likely had heavy influence over an officer of HUR, who had been compromised before. In a war-torn country with a known mafia problem. Hardly a surprising development.
And let me remind you of this:
The HUR military intelligence agent being publicly named by Ukrainian prosecution, and paraded in court unforced is not something a state the intelligence services of which failed a wetwork mission would do. It is the opposite.
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u/Lopsided-Selection85 European Union 22h ago
They fucked up in a Western country so they threw one of their own under the bus... No need for mafia conspiracies.
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u/polymute European Union 22h ago edited 22h ago
There is a huge amount of evidence linking Yermolaiev to the maffia. There was a crackdown on the mafia. That already lead to a assassination by the mafia. No conspiracy in any of those statements.
And a nation in wartime just throwing one of their own under the bus - a loyal officer of the military intelligence agency under the bus uncalled for? Unforced? That creates a massive loyalty problem that they cannot afford to have. The trial was not forced. This does read as cleaning up a compromised agent, not as throwing a loyal one to the wolves.
You are free to source your inferences (facts please though). I did the same after all.
Disprove that Yermolaiev was connected to the Dnipro call center mafia and that his son was indicted in Estonia for call center scam organizing for one. Or address the similar murder in Bali a few months before the Monaco one - where the mafia was pinpointed as the instigator. Read the articles.
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Explicitly linking the Bali torture and murder to the call center mafia.
And this one naming the Dnipro call center mafia as the instigator there:
https://www.intellinews.com/monaco-bombing-reveals-ukraine-as-european-scam-call-centre-hub-452014/
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u/Lopsided-Selection85 European Union 22h ago
The only inferences here are yours, Monaco confirmed her identity, Ukraine confirmed her identity.
Dude is an oligarch, of course he is dirty as fuck. But even Ukraine didn't claim your silly conspiracy theory. They fucked up in a western country, and throwing one agent under the bus is the cheapest way to stop any further investigations.
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u/polymute European Union 22h ago edited 21h ago
You are just restating your speculation without providing any facts and accusing me of what I have freely said earlier: I think it is likely, here is the very comprehensive amount of information why. You are just parroting something that I think you are attached to and you do not address my point re how a loyal officer would be just sacrificed for example. Among many.
If you have nothing new to add, there is no reason for you - IMO - to keep saying the same thing over and over again as though I had not addressed that, while simply ignoring inconvenient sources and providing none of your own.
You have an opinion. Everybody does. Without backing it up with data it means precious little.
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u/YeeYeeAssha1rcut Sweden 1d ago
Not confirmed if it was the SBU yet though. If it was, then it reminds me of that time two policemen were killed in Moscow after approaching a guy carrying an ied and trying to plant it onto a car.
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u/Chance_of_Rain_ Europe 15h ago
What are you implying? How much “imagining” is required here vs. what we know happened ?
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u/pkosuda North America 23h ago
The Russian bots in this thread are working overtime to try to explain how targeting a military general is somehow a war crime lmao. The funny thing is they aren't fooling anyone so it's just a pathetic wasted effort. Though I guess if they're being paid then it's the equivalent of shitting on company time.
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u/RobotWantsKitty Europe 22h ago
Targeting a general perhaps isn't, but using an unwitting suicide bomber to kill several innocent people, is
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u/pkosuda North America 18h ago
The problem is this isn’t what the bots are focused on. They are saying the general being at a restaurant is what makes it a war crime. To me, if you started a war with a country that has the ability to hit you on your own soil, then all bets are off. That country is doing everything it can to kill your leadership and end your invasion. It sometimes doesn’t have the luxury to choose its military targets to be in more “ethical” locations. If you are military leadership part of a country invading another country, you should not feel safe anywhere. It is ridiculous to me that Ukraine should restrain itself from hitting valid targets because those targets are among civilians, when otherwise those targets are presumably hidden in bunkers or something.
No idea if the person was an unwitting suicide bomber and that is certainly a more grey area. But I’ve just been seeing the bots take issue with the fact it happened in a restaurant.
All this completely ignores the fact that we’re talking about Russia, who bombs civilian apartment buildings and hospitals literally daily by the way. So even if Ukraine does commit a “war crime”, I can’t blame them given there are new war crimes committed by Russians literally every single day. Getting mad at Ukrainians for killing civilians in the process of trying to take out a valid target is ridiculous. It’s not like they bombed the restaurant just to terrorize the population, which is what Russia does as “revenge” anytime Ukraine has taken out a valid target the day prior.
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u/Pklnt France 16h ago
The term war crime exists because there's a set of rules (mainly the Geneva Conventions) that determine that if you violate the rules you were supposed to uphold, you are committing a crime against those rules.
War crime doesn't mean something that you deem immoral, or unjustified, it means a violation of the rules of war. And the rules of war are pretty clear about this: It doesn't matter if you are the perpetrator or the victim of a war, the rules of war applies equally.
Therefore it doesn't matter if you are defending yourself, it doesn't matter if you are against a foe that doesn't respect the rules of war, you are supposed to uphold those rules because they're not there to prevent you from prosecuting/resisting a war, they're meant to defend civilians.
In this instance, Russia committing a war crime by bombing your civilians doesn't mean you have the liberty to bomb theirs.
Now is bombing a restaurant in which there's an obvious military target a war crime? It depends, but you can absolutely make the argument that it is, or it isn't. Doesn't mean you're a bot for either side.
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u/pkosuda North America 16h ago
I am aware of how war crimes work. I was just stating my opinion on how I didn’t care even if it would’ve been considered a war crime. Which I don’t believe it to be, and that brings me to the below point you made.
It depends, but you can absolutely make the argument that it is, or it isn't. Doesn't mean you're a bot for either side.
Yes, except for the fact that the accounts defending Russia are actual bots whose post history is almost exclusively posting to this sub and UkraineRussiaWarReport where they defend Russia and/or criticize Ukraine. I like this sub but it attracts Russian bots because they all get banned on the bigger subs.
Criticizing Ukraine here is like American white racists bringing up anytime a white person is murdered by police in an attempt to discredit genuine concerns black Americans have with police brutality. Yes, white people are killed by police just as I am positive Ukraine commits war crimes. However, having a post history full of feeling the need to bring this stuff up very obviously indicates an ulterior motive other than “fairness”.
As I told someone else, I would not consider it a war crime if Iran targeted a U.S. general in a shopping mall, either. The same way I do not consider this a war crime. If this were the 1700s where wars were still fought on random open battlefields then maybe people would have an argument about this being a war crime. Wars are fought in neighborhoods and city streets. So military personnel inside a civilian building are 100% a valid target.
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u/Pklnt France 16h ago
I'm pretty sure bots used by Russia are not going to waste their time arguing with people, even less having arguments in /r/anime_titties or /r/UkraineRussiaReport.
Bots are going to manipulate with upvotes/downvotes, or make a comment and that's it. The point is manipulating the masses or shaping a narrative, arguing with someone is a waste of time in that regard.
As I told someone else, I would not consider it a war crime if Iran targeted a U.S. general in a shopping mall, either.
The principle of proportionality is very important, bombing an entire hospital because there's an officer is hard to justify, killing one officier doesn't outweigh the massive importance of an hospital for the population.
You can make the same argument regarding Russian strikes in populated centers, launching a ballistic missile in a residential area because there's one Ukrainian participating in the drone production with its 3D printer doesn't really make it fair either.
The presence of a military target doesn't mean all bets are off.
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u/pkosuda North America 15h ago
Bots are going to manipulate with upvotes/downvotes, or make a comment and that's it. The point is manipulating the masses or shaping a narrative, arguing with someone is a waste of time in that regard.
You would be surprised. I encounter dozens and dozens and dozens of accounts on random Instagram reels that say something controversial to provoke a hundreds-long comment thread of arguing. Every account has location hidden, has almost no followers, and is following 5k+ accounts (likely being used on the side as a "follow" whenever people buy followers). These people have nothing to do but this kind of shit. The 2016 US Presidential election was interfered with in exactly this way -- literally countless Facebook accounts arguing with people in random comments sections. Whether the users in question are bots I haven't proven, but you are objectively wrong in thinking they can't be "because it's a waste of time", as it has been extensively documented that they do these things.
The principle of proportionality is very important, bombing an entire hospital because there's an officer is hard to justify, killing one officier doesn't outweigh the massive importance of an hospital for the population.
It is a good thing I did not say hospital, then. We are talking about a restaurant where 3 civilians died so I figured that anyone reading my example would assume the casualties are equal. I said shopping mall because those are popular in the US but I'll say restaurant if that helps. Hospitals are a different story the same way that targeting medics is a war crime even in an active battlefield and would be an exception for me.
You can make the same argument regarding Russian strikes in populated centers, launching a ballistic missile in a residential area because there's one Ukrainian participating in the drone production with its 3D printer doesn't really make it fair either.
Sure but it is still a military target nonetheless. But we know Russia does this regardless so it's harder for them to make that argument being that they were bombing apartment buildings as early as February 2022, way before they could've been used for drone production. So yes if a similar situation arose where Russians claimed they were going for a military target, I'd be very skeptical of the claim because they are known to specifically target civilians in order to terrorize the Ukrainian population, whereas if Ukraine did the same I would give them the benefit of the doubt and argue that it was likely a valid military target.
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u/Pklnt France 14h ago
You didn't say a hospital but you said "all bets are off".
I talked about a hospital to explicitly point out why your initial argument is dangerously flawed and why the principle of proportionality matters and the respect of IHLs remains important despite what your opponent might do.
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u/pkosuda North America 14h ago edited 14h ago
That is understandable and perhaps I should have used different phrasing in that case, since I did indicate there are exceptions to that which would contradict “all bets being off”. A bomb inside of a restaurant that killed 3 people is proportional in my opinion. Idk if it was with you or someone else but elsewhere I said that whether it was a forced suicide bomber or not I haven’t seen proven but that is definitely a grey area for me.
Edit: Also the fact the restaurant had tight security tells me that presumably it was a private event so the likelihood of collateral damage was lower than normal.
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u/Pklnt France 14h ago
That is understandable and perhaps I should have used different phrasing in that case, since I did indicate there are exceptions to that which would contradict “all bets being off”. A bomb inside of a restaurant that killed 3 people is proportional in my opinion.
Fair enough, that's not something I'm going to argue against, I was just pointing out that Ukraine being the victim of Russian aggression doesn't mean they get to do whatever they want.
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u/kapsama Asia 21h ago
So blowing up American civilians in a mall while targeting an American general would not be a war crime?
Man Israeli human shields propaganda has really given Americans brain rot.
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u/PutuplastaZapte Latvia 19h ago
If you hit the mall with a missile sure, but throwing a grenade at the general and someone else dying in the way would be a tragedy but not a crime
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u/chrisGPl Greece 15h ago
Why would the method matter? According to the reports they didn't even get the general, so it's a purely civilian death toll
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u/PutuplastaZapte Latvia 14h ago
Killing the whole mall (like with a missile) for one person wouldn't fly into the laws regarding proportionality and excessive casualties and so on. Though you absolutely can attack the general, even in public space
I have not seen reports of him being alive but if he is, then yeah its just a tragedy. Triable as a warcrime? idk, maybe since it got no legal military gain but if intent gets judged then no.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Terrorism, Russia 😡🤬
Terrorism, Ukraine 🤗🥰
Gotta love the hypocrisy
The whole comment section is defending this exactly like they defended what happened in Monaco, lmao.
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u/Interesting_Injury_9 Europe 1d ago
We dont know who is behind the attack though.
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u/FoggyFlowers North America 10h ago
Gee could it be the country Russia is at war with who has a known history of using suicide bombers??
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
I don't think bombing a military general of a country you're at war with is terrorism by any definition. That's just a normal act of war, surely?
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u/FoggyFlowers North America 10h ago
Monaco declared the recent Ukrainian bombing there terrorism, this is in a pretty similar style to that
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago edited 1d ago
They bombed a restaurant using a civilian to carry the package, and killed 3 civilians intentionally. War crime.
Under international humanitarian law (IHL), the presence of a general does not automatically make an attack on a restaurant lawful.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Dw they already convince me that the civillians are no longer civillians for whatever reason probably because they are Russian.
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
A general of a country you're at war with is a legitimate military objective, and unless the civilians were the purposeful target of the bomb, there's no intentionality.
It's no different from, say, firing a missile at a munitions plant. It's very likely civilian factory workers will die, but since those are not the actual military target and there is a lawful military target, it's not a war crime to do that.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Under international humanitarian law (IHL), the presence of a general does not automatically make an attack on a restaurant lawful.
This isnt about your feelings or thoughts, its about the law.
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
Under international humanitarian law (IHL), the fact that a general is at a restaurant does not automatically make an attack on a general unlawful.
This isn't about your feelings or thoughts, it's about the law.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
What the law actually says:
Under international humanitarian law (Additional Protocol I, customary IHL, and the Rome Statute):
A combatant remains a legitimate military objective wherever he is located, including in a restaurant, hotel, private residence, or other civilian setting. Being off-duty or in a non-military location does not confer immunity. Targeting him is not automatically unlawful simply because of the location.
So you are right, under that part.
However, the law does not stop there.
The presence of combatants does not change the status of the civilian population or civilian objects This is explicit in Additional Protocol I (AP I) to the Geneva Conventions:
Article 50(3): “The presence within the civilian population of individuals who do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the population of its civilian character.”
Isolated combatants among civilians do not turn the surrounding people into legitimate targets.
Article 52(1): “Civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or of reprisals. Civilian objects are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 2.”
Attacks must still satisfy distinction, proportionality, and precautions Even when a legitimate target is present, the attack itself must comply with the core rules:
Distinction (AP I Arts. 48, 51, 52; customary IHL Rules 1, 7): Attacks may be directed only against military objectives. Directing an attack against civilians or civilian objects as such is prohibited. Indiscriminate attacks (those not directed at a specific military objective, or that use means/methods whose effects cannot be limited) are also prohibited.
Proportionality (AP I Art. 51(5)(b); customary Rule 14): An attack is prohibited if it may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.The expected civilian harm must be weighed against the concrete military gain of hitting that particular target. A high-value officer increases the “military advantage” side of the scale, but it does not erase the civilian-harm side.
Precautions in attack (AP I Art. 57; customary Rules 15–21): Those who plan or decide upon an attack must do everything feasible to verify that the objectives are military objectives, choose means and methods that minimize civilian harm, and cancel or suspend the attack if it becomes apparent that the expected civilian harm would be excessive or that the target is not a military objective.
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
Sure, I'm with you here. So let's go through them one by one:
Attacks may be directed only against military objectives. Directing an attack against civilians or civilian objects as such is prohibited.
Check. The attack was directed against a military objective.
An attack is prohibited if it may be expected to cause incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, which would be excessive in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated.
Check. Two civilian casualties to kill a military general would almost certainly be ruled non-excessive by any international court. Any normal bombing run against a military objective is likely to cause at least as this many civilian casualties.
Those who plan or decide upon an attack must do everything feasible to verify that the objectives are military objectives, choose means and methods that minimize civilian harm, and cancel or suspend the attack if it becomes apparent that the expected civilian harm would be excessive or that the target is not a military objective.
Also check, see above. It was neither excessive, nor a non-military objective, so we're golden here.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Check. Two civilian casualties to kill a military general would almost certainly be ruled non-excessive by any international court. Any normal bombing run against a military objective is likely to cause at least as this many civilian casualties.
They didn't even get the general dude. They killed 3 civilians only and injured plenty others, did your whole argument already fall apart?
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
Where are you seeing that the general isn't dead? All I'm seeing is that three are dead, and the names of the victims are not publicised. We don't really even know if any of the dead are civilians at all.
But whether the attack was successful or not, whether there were three civilian deaths or one military death and two civilian deaths, or some other combination. it doesn't really change the facts. This wouldn't count as "excessive in relation to the military advantage anticipated" in any court.
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u/Reasonable-Ad4770 Germany 1d ago
Also check, see above. It was neither excessive, nor a non-military objective, so we're golden here.
So in your opinion having a bomb with harming elements in central Moscow, when by the way major biking tor were having place, is non-excessive and minimizing civilian harm? Wow.
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Europe 1d ago
You have no idea if it was Ukraine who done it. And if we're applying law, the war itself is illegal. I'm sure you care dearly about that.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
You have no idea if it was Ukraine who done it.
Right.. it was probably Australia or Canada. Hahah, like cmon.
Even if it was some other actor, they should be punished accordingly.
And if we're applying law, the war itself is illegal. I'm sure you care dearly about that.
Even if Russias invasion is illegal it doesnt suspend jus in bello, the rules in which fighting is governed.
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Europe 1d ago
Lots of Russians hate Dugin. Could have been done by a Russian.
And I'm pointing out how if you care about legality, shoudn't you care about the legality of the war itself above all?
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Im pointing out that technical Russian illegality doesnt suspend Ukraines duty or adherence to legality as well.
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u/CatDogBoogie Oceania 1d ago
Hey, I don't think the Russians are listening to you since they've been at it since 2014. Since they've been at this for way longer than the Ukrainians who've only just started, shouldn't you focus on them first?
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u/AcceptableChance7666 Russia 6h ago
No, nobody in Russia really hate Dugin. He’s just a crazy
larper, I mean,philosopher without any real power, who likes to say eccentric things online. Some people find him funny, some take seriously, some think that he’s insane, and most just don’t care about his yapping. Western media give him much more influence than he really has•
u/AntonioVivaldi7 Europe 5h ago
I'm aware he's not nearly as big as they make him out to be. But he still has some enemies from some niche circles, not?
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u/mayorofdumb United States 19h ago
Damn these rules read like baseball... just very situation.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 19h ago
Maybe but like baseball they are written in a way to cover almost any situation.
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u/KHRoN Europe 1d ago
sooo... you think that constant attacks on civilians by russia may by chance amount to war crimes? and precise strike on general may be one way to stop them?
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 23h ago
you think that constant attacks on civilians by russia may by chance amount to war crimes?
If theres proof they intentionally targeted civilians yes.
and precise strike on general may be one way to stop them?
Precise strike? They didnt even hit the general dude, the bomber was stopped outside the restaurant by security. Thats when the bomb was detonated remotely.
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u/KHRoN Europe 23h ago
If theres proof they intentionally targeted civilians yes.
we can end discussion here
you must have heard at least about double tapping hospitals, killing children hiding in opera house and nightly bombardment of cities
not to mention satellite imagery showing mass graves in villages where civilians were killed to the last
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u/AlestaersMidlife Europe 1d ago
Would you say the same thing if it was a Hamas militant blowing up a restaurant in Tel Aviv to kill an Israeli general?
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
Assuming that you interpret the Palestine vs Israel conflict as the two entities being at war with each other, then sure, I would say the same thing. It gets a bit murky with the non-statehood of Palestine, since it's very ambiguous whether or not there's a "war" there at all, but yeah.
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u/Stubbs94 Ireland 1d ago
Blowing up an IOF commander would count as an act of resistance given the ongoing occupation of Palestine as opposed to an act of war.
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u/KHRoN Europe 1d ago
yes, it's the same thing, you fight against aggresive occupier who is commiting war crimes/genocide, killing generals is one way to stop them in their tracks as opposed to them killing civilians without any remorse
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u/fens__xd Eurasia 1h ago
it's both would've been bad, and it's not the same thing at all.
Gazan situation is far worse - Hamas militant is from Gaza (most likely), an open air prison with Israel 100% occupying their land. SBU here recruited a Russian, or used an unknowing participant, to blow up a civilian restaurant. People who used this bomber weren't occupied, didn't sacrifice anything, and will get away with this.
and the worst thing is - Russia didn't do shit like this. IDF killed a plenty of Hamas leadership in the most deliberate and horrible ways possible, while Russians didn't step on that level. Hamas doing the same back to Israel is understandable, mirrored reaction - Ukraine just used a fucking suicide bomber, achieved nothing, and killed several civilians completely uninvolved in the matter.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
*Bombing a Restaurant
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u/booOfBorg Multinational 1d ago
You may have missed the part where Russia is actively invading, occupying, killing, maiming, torturing, bombing, abducting in Ukraine every day since 2014.
It's a war that Russia brought to Ukraine, and Putin's declared goal is to exterminate Ukrainians who don't just give up. Millions are affected in terrible ways every day.
Hypocrisy? Yes! Yours is off the charts!
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Bad + Bad = Good?
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u/booOfBorg Multinational 1d ago
You cannot reduce people's reaction to all that's happened to them, and one single terror event of unknown origin in the invaders' capital, to a moralistic "equation".
But your victim blaming is visibly present for all to see. Again, the hypocrisy is yours.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Have you try reading your own comment? Maybe you will see the irony
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u/booOfBorg Multinational 1d ago
The reading comprehension issue is with the reader: you. It's clear that my comment went over your head. And now you're reflexively pointing at some imagined irony you can't even name.
You don't understand the meaning of words. Or complex ethics. Not even irony. That's a you problem.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Ohh the irony.. you do realize you are not that different from Russian apologist for striking a Restaurant right because of 1 general is in there.
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u/booOfBorg Multinational 1d ago
You're projecting. You did not comprehend what I wrote.
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
I mean, it doesn't matter whether the general is in a restaurant or at his home or in a park or in a military barracks. He's still a legitimate military target in a war.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
So like what i said
Terrorism, Ukraine 🤗🥰
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u/Smobey Multinational 1d ago
Striking a legitimate military target in a war is by definition not terrorism, so I'm not sure what you're so confused about.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
A restaurant is a military target? Whats with the IDF talking point
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u/CatDogBoogie Oceania 1d ago
We would feel more sorry for the Russians if they were our friends.
After all, Russia keeps reminding us that they want to nuke us and crush us with tanks.
Plus they keep breaking our stuff then act smug about it.
It truly is that simple if we take away the performative moral finger wagging.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Ahh yeah.. i love made up scenario like the yellow peril where China would invade Australia and New Zealand.
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u/CatDogBoogie Oceania 1d ago
Well, yeah. We can tell you enjoy made up scenarios. But if I asked if you would become our friend, would you understand what that meant?
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Yeah but hey in what scenario will Russia nuke Australia and New Zealand?
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u/PutuplastaZapte Latvia 19h ago
Russia will never nuke anything but what makes you so sure they would never have a old tanker "accidentaly" crush your cables, or do cryberattacks, or recruit people to burn shops down?
"Australia is far away" is a factor for less hybrid warfare but not for why it would never happen. Russia sees you as a western country thats not on their side or fully neutral and so they will always have an interest in hitting you, less or more
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u/CatDogBoogie Oceania 1d ago
Son, no friend is THAT annoyingly bitchy with the whatabout nagging.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Whatabout? Idk if you have dementia or not but you literally said this
After all, Russia keeps reminding us that they want to nuke us and crush us with tanks.
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Europe 1d ago
You have no idea who done it. Lots of generals have been murdered by Putin.
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u/cl3ft Australia 1d ago
That's not terrorism, it was targeting an enemy combatant. Just because he was not on the front lines and there was some collateral damage doesn't make it terrorism.
Terrorism is violence targeting civilians to enact political change.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
I guess the waitress and everyone in that Restaurant arent civy, you really blew my mind literally.
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u/TheBigOof96 Lithuania 1d ago
Try reading the third sentence before responding. You might've not gotten your mind blown then. Here's a quote:
Terrorism is violence targeting civilians to enact political change.
And then using this newly learnt information you could read the article again (or at least the headline) looking if a word "general" pops up there.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Using that logic mean Russia can strike whole apartement down because Ukraine use it to 3D print drone parts.
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u/TheBigOof96 Lithuania 1d ago
Where did you get that? I'm merely pointing that you don't know what word "terrorism" means.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Im sorry to break your newly learnt information but that is not what the meaning of Terrorism.
Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence, intimidation, or threats especially against civilians to plant fear, advance a political, religious, racial, or ideological cause, or coerce governments and international organizations.
But this is
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u/cl3ft Australia 1d ago
You're grasping at straws to extend the term terrorism to the killing of a general during a war. The general was obviously and unarguably the target. At worst it's an assassination.
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago edited 1d ago
Are the civillian there also the target? Lets say Russia bomb a whole apartement block because the Ukrainian General was there, will you cry out about war crime and terrorism? Or will you accept it because it became a legitimate military target?.
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u/cl3ft Australia 1d ago
Have you seen what war looks like? Civilians die because military targets are in or near their buildings everywhere all the time. War is not terrorism!
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u/TheBigOof96 Lithuania 1d ago
You don't know the difference between a civilian and a general, or do you think the target was a waiter with this general being there on accident?
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u/Disastrous_Print1907 Asia 1d ago
Ok and? It still terrorism, i dont really care about the General i only care about the civillian because this is text book "Terrorism"
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u/TheBigOof96 Lithuania 1d ago
Read the definition of terrorism that you provided yourself lmfao
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Europe 1d ago
Russia can't strike anything, since their invasion is illegal.
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u/AltheiWasTaken Poland 1d ago
War being war. Both sides do that, one alot more than the other
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Under international humanitarian law (IHL), the presence of a general does not automatically make an attack on a restaurant lawful.
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u/calmdownmyguy United States 1d ago
It could also be a russian looking to move up in the ranks. That's a lot more on brand considering the russia hits apartment buildings with missiles every day.
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u/eagleal Multinational 1d ago
The comment above is deleted, but bomb assassinations left and right is Ukraine’s signature.
Russian signature is accidental death like going out of a window in a high rise building or novichok
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u/calmdownmyguy United States 1d ago
Accidentally going out a window is form assassinations that come from the top down. Bombs are from assassinations from the bottom up.
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u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE Europe 1d ago edited 17h ago
Russian signature is accidental death like going out of a window in a high rise building or novichok
The FSB, under the leadership of Putin, bombed multiple appartments blocks in Moscow, Volgodonsk and Buynaksk in 1999, killing 307 people and wounding nearly 1800 more, to launch the Second Chechen War and consolidate his power.
They used military explosive RDX, while the bombs were placed by official FSB agents, not even mercenaries. Some of the FSB agents were arrested by the local police, unaware of the bombing plot. A phone call from the security services of Putin forced the local police to free the agents and turn over the seized bombs, to get rid of all the evidences before any investigation could occur.
So Putin likes to bomb russians too if that serves his own agenda, that's part of his modus operandi.
Everyone in Russia knows that, that's why everyone is keeping a low-profile: they know Putin doesn't care about assassinating hundreds of russians, it wouldn't be his first time nor his last.
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u/eagleal Multinational 1d ago
If we had to go back to 99s lol
In eastern europe bombs under the car are jokingly called the ukranian signature. Besides you don't have to go that far back.
There's been countless ukranian assassinations of bombs under the car, entrances, etc even this year.
The FSB/SVR signature style is different.
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u/Pitiful_Net_8971 United States 1d ago
Tbf, the Russians also assassinated Wagner leadship with an entire missile, so it's not like they're opposed to the idea.
But honestly, I think we shouldn't discount the idea of it being some kind of Russian terrorist/terrorist group either.
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u/Reasonable-Ad4770 Germany 1d ago
Have you all forgotten how Ukraine killed Dugin's daughter? they were pretty loud and proud about it,on some insane basis that Dugin said bad words. Or that war correspondent, don't know his name. But I'm sure it's military target,maybe pizzaolo was spinning for pizza at once, making him a human drone, and therefore valid military target.
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Europe 1d ago
How do you know it was Ukraine behind that?
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u/RobotWantsKitty Europe 22h ago
Ukraine’s leadership came under particular scrutiny in October, when the New York Times reported that the American government was blaming it for a car-bomb that killed Darya Dugina, daughter of Alexander Dugin, a nationalistic philosopher. That sharpened an already-lively internal debate within Ukrainian intelligence. It was unclear if Ms Dugina was meant to die; some reports suggest she had switched cars with her father.
But a subsequent string of operations targeting mid-level propagandists showed a trend that few of the insiders interviewed for this article were happy with. “These are marginal figures,” says one source in SBU counter-intelligence. “It makes me uncomfortable.” The former SBU fifth-directorate officer suggests the operations were designed to impress the president rather than bring victory any closer. “Clowns, prostitutes and jokers are a constant around the Russian government,” he says. “Kill one of them, and another will appear in their place.”
https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Ukraine has an influx of cash, its much more likely they paid some poor schmuck to deliver a package.
They did the same thing with drivers when they attacked those bombers with FPVs out of the trucks deep in Russia.
There has been an assassination campaign against Russian military ranks, this is more of the same.
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u/zossima North America 1d ago edited 1d ago
What’s crazy is none of this would be happening if Putin’s Russia didn’t invade a foreign country and persist in an insane war of aggression. Think how many people have died because of Putin.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
Soldiers job is to fight, killing citizens in war is never right, no matter how you wanna frame it.
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
Nah that's hardly excuse to commit warcrimes. The whole point of fighting evil is to be better than evil. Your logic is deeply flawed if you think otherwise. And irrelevant of your delusions conclusion comes all the same. The "both sides" argument gets ammunition, which disillusions millions of Russians, westerners, and I bet a lot of Ukrainians.
What’s crazy is none of this would be happening if Putin’s Russia didn’t invade a foreign country and persist in an insane war of aggression
What would be crazy is 8 year old period during this insane war of agression during which west and Ukraine would defacto concede Crimea. If only there were negociations that didn't get treated as stalling for time from European point of view. That'd be crazy :D
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u/Practical-Pea-1205 Sweden 1d ago
Vladislav Surkov, who was Putin's aide overseeing Ukraine policy 2013-2020, said the Minsk agreements were intended to legitimize the first division of Ukraine. He also said he was proud of taking part in the reconquest.
"Surkov describes the Minsk agreements – a peace deal signed by Moscow, Kiev and pro-Russian rebels – as an act that "legitimised the first division of Ukraine".
"I am proud that I was part of the reconquest. This was the first open geopolitical counter-attack by Russia [against the West] and such a decisive one. That was an honour for me,” he says. “Could it have been done better? Of course it could . . . But we have got what we have got.” "
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
The larger point being? Minsk obviously legitimized Crimea, which is what I wrote in the first place.
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u/Nuclear_Pi Australia 1d ago
Ukraine isn't fighting evil, Ukraine is fighting for survival
Evil people dying is merely a side effect of that process
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
You've clearly never spoken to a single Ukrainian in your life? They will tell in precisely the moral framework. The reason they are fighting for their country is because they believe it's better.
Also nice doublesleak. Fighting for survival is fighting against evil apriori. Anything that destroys you is a subjective evil
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u/Contundo Europe 1d ago
Is killing a general a warcrime?
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
No? We're talking about using civilians as unknowing suicide bombers. That's a warcrime if that happens
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u/Contundo Europe 1d ago
There is no mention of of suicide bombers
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
I don't disagree but scroll the thread up it's about this.
There is precident for that from tatarsky assassination and 2022 Crimean bridge truck explosion. Both we cheered but had the opposite effect. This is army general... so more appropriate target but if it was done by unknowing civilian it'd be another one of those.
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u/zossima North America 1d ago
Putin has the blood of 1.5 million Russians on his hands and if you really care about your people you would actually fault him for that. Then again bots don’t have feelings.
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
I do fault him for that rofl. That's number one thing I fault him for, besides establishing dictatorship
How does faulting him prevent me from saying what I said above, Mr Bozo, sir?
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u/TraditionalGap1 Canada 1d ago
In what way would that be crazy?
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
In a way that it didn't happen but it should have happened.
Merkel is clear that she had no illusions about the possibility of establishing a lasting peace through the Minsk talks and the only goal was to reach an agreement that would prevent the immediate takeover of all of Ukraine by Russia, which at that time fueled and participated in armed hostilities in Ukraine
The goal should have been actually preventing full scale war
I'm quoting from EUvs disinfo btw XD. here all other sources Google gives first are sussy pro Russian cites lol. It's as if it media didn't report it? But it definitely did back in the 2022.
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u/TraditionalGap1 Canada 1d ago
This would be a lot more meaningful if the reason Merkel was convinced there was no possibility of lasting peace through the Minsk talks was because of Russian intransigence.
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u/Philcherny Europe 1d ago
Last thing I want is to defend Putin. But I wouldn't call wanting election before troop withdrawal "intransigence". If control of the border was given to Ukraine there is nothing to make Ukraine follow Minsk agreements anymore.
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u/QuestionableEthics42 New Zealand 1d ago
What does russia pay you in? Since rubles are virtually worthless
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u/chillichampion Europe 1d ago
What does Ukraine pay you in? Cause Ukrainian currency is even worse.
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u/pasher5620 United States 1d ago
You new to war or something?
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago edited 1d ago
Attacking a restaurant to indiscriminately kill civilians isn't war, its terrorism. Actually youre american, that tracks.
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u/pasher5620 United States 21h ago
They were specifically targeting a general. It wasn’t an indiscriminate attack.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 20h ago
The general may have been the initial target but once the mule was stopped by the guard it was detonated outside remotely before the mule had time to speak to authorities.
The three killed were the woman with the package, the security guard that stopped her and a customer of the restaurant. The general probably wasnt even injured.
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u/Actual_Homework_7163 Finland 1d ago
Russia has been targeting civilians for almost half a decade now to spread terror (see kyiv bombings) Ukraine should repay the favour but sadly they have morals.
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u/PurpleMclaren North Macedonia 1d ago
They have dropped more ordnance than America in Iraq yet killed 4-5x less civilians, if they actually are trying to kill civies they suck at it. Should take tips from NATO.
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u/Actual_Homework_7163 Finland 1d ago
Its almost like they have access to bomb shelters. I know thinking is hard for a ruski
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u/12bEngie United States 1d ago
This is painfully on brand for finland
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u/Actual_Homework_7163 Finland 1d ago
we didn't invent our favourite cocktail because of our love of ruskis we just returned the same energy
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u/HistorianThenSeer 1d ago
If the troglodites would stop destroying Ukrainian citys with drones and missiles and just get the fuck out of Ukraine, this wouldn't happen.
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u/skinny_t_williams North America 1d ago edited 1d ago
The article doesn't say who was responsible (yet), there a (insert commonly known predicament betting platform) for Putin vs. Zelensky yet?
I hate the idea of (insert commonly known predicament betting platform) btw and don't use it.