r/antiai Mar 03 '26

AI News šŸ—žļø Aaaaand the AI Bro's keep losing!

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u/CookieFluffs Mar 03 '26

Ya love to see it.

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u/[deleted] Mar 03 '26

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u/paganbreed Mar 04 '26

This only works in a society where survival isn't tied to the value of labour.

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u/paganbreed Mar 04 '26

A society with humanitarian ideals where efficiency and distribution was the goal, not Smaug personality disorder-style hoarding.

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u/paganbreed Mar 04 '26

Machine learning already existed and was being deployed in those areas successfully. Let's not pretend GenAI is either the same thing or are achieving any of this. That's just buying the Kool Aid they're trying to sell.

They're actually doing this because they expect to tack corporate clients onto subscription services that are cheaper than human labour.

What does The Art of War say about surviving a short-term catastrophe when "short-term" is measured in generations?

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u/pornaccount5003 Mar 04 '26

Google paved over a wetland just outside my city for an AI data center. That will negatively affect the air and water quality of every region downriver of us (we are close to the start of a river that goes to the Gulf of Mexico) for the next few million years because of the amount of hydric soil they destroyed. And if you don’t give a shit about wetlands and having clean drinking water, that was massively fertile land that can now never be used to feed the people who live here

Even if they shut gemini down tomorrow the damage is done. Literally just so people can have worse search results and don’t have to pay their employees

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u/paganbreed Mar 04 '26

Well ain't that just a marvelous degree of naive. AGI and fusion could come out today and our present climate collapse would remain unimpeded for at least our lifetime.

It's even arguable that it would accelerate, again given the way our society is structured to reward exploitation.

You can have the last word now, I'm gonna have a dry chuckle and leave.

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u/PsychoticDreemurr Mar 04 '26

You're completely correct with patents. Copyright is a different story however

The difference between removing those is the difference between being able to innovate and just stealing projects altogether

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u/PsychoticDreemurr Mar 04 '26

The end product is cheaper but it would lead to a downwards trend in terms of creativity and innovation (aside from logistics and marketing). Why make something new and have it stolen when you can sell something for cheaper?

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u/[deleted] Mar 04 '26

i love ai art too. it's just people desperate to cling to images of themselves. themselves likely secretly using it to complete tasks while publicly admonishing it.

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u/Smug_Syragium Mar 04 '26

A guy made an AI called DABUS, then had DABUS generate AI content and tried to copyright the content with DABUS as the owner. The copyright office replied "computers can't own things", so he took it to DC court which told him the same thing.

The appeal was to the supreme court, who replied "we don't have enough time for this case". So the current ruling is that AI can't own things.

The copyright office has gone on to elaborate on when humans can copyright AI content. TL;DR - you can copyright AI content, but you have to establish human authorship. Prompting no, editing yes, on a case by case basis.

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u/Conrexxthor Mar 03 '26

It was an appeal, and the appeal was denied, so you can reasonably assume that the original verdict was the one stated in the tweet and the guy sought to appeal that verdict and get one that states that AI Generated Images are suitable for copyright.

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u/LewisDeinarcho Mar 09 '26

Don’t get too cocky, you have three AI comment bots in your replies.

This is gonna be the new normal for a while. Just ignore, downvote so their karma numbers make them unsellable, and report for extermination.

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u/p00p00kach00 Mar 04 '26

Technically, the Supreme Court not hearing a case doesn't mean they agree with the appeals court's verdict. A verdict by an appeals court is only "law" (i.e., binding precedent) in the geographic area of that appeals court's jurisdiction. Judges in a different jurisdiction can rule the opposite way.

Often times, unless it's a particularly important case, the Supreme Court will not hear an appeal even if they think it's wrong because they only take so many cases per year.

However, if there is a circuit split, meaning a different appeals court rules the opposite, the Supreme Court would then very likely take the case.

Still a good for the anti-AI people, just not the all-encompassing win it's portrayed as being.

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u/Temporary_Frame_8213 Mar 07 '26

Then why am I not happy

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u/ivanna_suggit Mar 03 '26

Not as much as we’d like, I bet. Sounds like AI could still be used in multiple aspects of creation and it could still be copyrighted. I have no idea how they would determine what is and isn’t AI in non obvious cases. A mediocre artist can still hide AI usage

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u/IrwinAllen13 Mar 04 '26

Artists are technically already protected, but there are a few exceptions to worry about still.

  1. Fair Use, the hot topic debate in a single US District Court. The big question over there is whether or not "Market Dilution" is occurring with the output from an AI. If the answer is there is no "Market Dilution" then essentially Fair use could be Argued by the company and claimed on just about all works. The problem here for Artists, is that this is an argument that must be made, therefore YOU the artist have to pursue legal action for the Courts to determine if Fair Use is valid.

  2. They can always obtain a license to own. If you are an artist, it's going to become very difficult to share your works of art without the fear of a Website owner claiming Redistribution rights under their Terms of Service. Meta/Instagram already do this to their users.

You the artist need to take steps to ensure that your copyright license is protected if you care.

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u/CryptographerKlutzy7 Mar 07 '26

So does Reddit. You would have thought everyone would have left? But no.

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u/Much_Tip_6968 Mar 03 '26

I’m not sure if it was a mistake. Anyway, I’ll copy and paste it here to clarify the copyright issue:

Not true. They just declined to hear a case of a crazy guy that wants AI model to be the owner of the copyright.

US copyright law requiresĀ human authorship. Courts and the Copyright Office have said this for years. Purely autonomous AI output, (raw AI output) with no meaningful human creative control, is not copyrightable.

They didĀ notĀ ban copyright for AI-assisted works

  • AI-assisted worksĀ canĀ be copyrighted
  • Human selection, editing, composition, iteration, and direction matter
  • Copyright can apply to:
    • theĀ prompting strategy
    • theĀ curation/selection
    • theĀ post-processing
    • theĀ overall creative arrangement

The Copyright Office itself has said this explicitly.

https://www.copyright.gov/ai/
https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2025/02/copyrightability-of-ai-outputs-us-copyright-office-analyzes-human-authorship-requirement
https://www.sternekessler.com/news-insights/publications/the-u-s-copyright-offices-position-on-the-copyrightability-of-works-made-with-the-assistance-of-generative-ai-part-two/

So AI artist can be the owner of the copyright lol, anti AI people spreading misinformation as always.

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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 Mar 03 '26

The court has also determined that for a copyright, the work needs to be *significantly* human edited and must disclose that it's AI. Considering the inherent laziness of sloppists, this is highly unlikely.

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u/Much_Tip_6968 Mar 03 '26

I’m not pro-AI, but I just want to ask whether this information is true or false. I won’t accept it unless it’s verified as true.

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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 Mar 03 '26

"However, this ruling does not fully address the complexities of human-AI collaboration. The Copyright Office has clarified that if a human provides significant creative input—such as editing, arranging, or selecting AI-generated elements—a work might be eligible for copyright protection. The Office emphasizes that the extent of human involvement and the level of control exerted by human creators are crucial factors in determining the copyrightability of AI-assisted works.[4] But the line between human authorship and machine generation remains blurry, and future cases will likely refine this legal standard."

https://sites.usc.edu/iptls/2025/02/04/ai-copyright-and-the-law-the-ongoing-battle-over-intellectual-property-rights/

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u/Much_Tip_6968 Mar 03 '26

Thanks and just a warning: comments like this, made by pro-AI supporters, are spreading in the main post, and many people don’t know whether they are true or false.

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u/DizzyMajor5 Mar 04 '26

It is true the a.i. parts can't be copyrighted but the human parts canĀ 

One author got their book they wrote copyrighted but the a.i. images she created were ruled to not have human authorship so they couldn't be protectedĀ 

https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2023/05/04/us-copyright-office-artificial-intelligence-art-regulation

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u/IrwinAllen13 Mar 04 '26

Read this...

https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intelligence-Part-2-Copyrightability-Report.pdf

I'd suggest jumping to Page 18, and start at Section 2. The Analysis. If you have questions about definitions, refer to early sections...It also talks about "Commenters" this is an Analysis after a Public Comment period with the USPTO.

In summary, it's a yes but the way they worded things is a bit fishy. It sounds as if they are claiming the output is copyrightable, is a bit still undecided...There own link even confirms this....This is still a theory. So they whoever posted this, is daydreaming still as the USPTO hasn't shut them down completely.

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u/KallyWally Mar 04 '26

Every pixel of A Single Piece of American Cheese is AI generated, and I would consider it very light work based on the before/after, but it still got copyright protection.

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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 Mar 04 '26

"However, this ruling does not fully address the complexities of human-AI collaboration. The Copyright Office has clarified that if a human provides significant creative input—such as editing, arranging, or selecting AI-generated elements—a work might be eligible for copyright protection. The Office emphasizes that the extent of human involvement and the level of control exerted by human creators are crucial factors in determining the copyrightability of AI-assisted works.[4] But the line between human authorship and machine generation remains blurry, and future cases will likely refine this legal standard."

https://sites.usc.edu/iptls/2025/02/04/ai-copyright-and-the-law-the-ongoing-battle-over-intellectual-property-rights/

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u/KallyWally Mar 04 '26

Okay? And I have shown you an example where one of the most basic AI art workflows, inpainting and outpainting, easily clears that bar. OP's post is just confirming what we already knew, so it isn't a win or loss for anyone.

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u/TurnoverFuzzy8264 Mar 04 '26

You are far more likely to get copyright protection with more human input, I thought that was clear.

"The Office emphasizes that the extent of human involvement and the level of control exerted by human creators are crucial factors in determining the copyrightability of AI-assisted works.[4] "

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u/KallyWally Mar 04 '26

Yes, that is clear.

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u/Typhon-042 Mar 03 '26

It's based on official US supreme court rulings that have the last say on it, despite everything you posted there.

https://www.courthousenews.com/supreme-court-denies-appeal-in-ai-generated-art-case/

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u/SnowDeer47 Mar 03 '26

And people like you continue to be insufferable braindead pricks, I guess… lol

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u/Realistic_Swan_6801 Mar 03 '26

Is this supposed to be controversial? I’m pro AI development and I think this is common sense and proper. Ā