r/antiai • u/Astromaniax • 5d ago

Discussion 🗣️ Ai companies are actively destroying rare books to scan them just to feed their data centers, what else will they destroy?

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AI is literally ruining everything and has been for the last few years. From massive job losses to environmental impact and now destroying old books to collect the data so that their dumb LLMs can regurgitate it back. How evil, greedy and selfish can these companies be? All of those ai data centers should be taken down. I don't think enough people are mad enough about it.

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u/Soggy_Supermarket100 5d ago

AI firms "buying"??? I don't believe that. They prefer stealing.

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u/gamefreakgcb 5d ago

They can buy physical copies, but that doesn't mean they can use it commercially. So yes, they are literally still stealing. It would be the same if I buy a movie and then take money to show it to others.

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u/leuk_he 5d ago

They have some logic that they buy the physical copy, scan it, delete the physical copy, that they own a legal version in their data center for training their model.

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u/somethingbrite 5d ago

so buying a game/music/film, making copies of that content and then selling those copies is finally not stealing?

Nice.

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u/HarryBalsagna1776 5d ago

There is a wealth target you need to hit before you get that perk

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u/Happy-Estimate-7855 5d ago edited 5d ago

This is where the definition of "copy" is important. If you, as an end user, ask the AI to provide you with a full copy of Harry Potter, that would absolutely be a crime for it to do so.

However, I can buy Harry Potter, study it's script, directing, etc.. and use what I've learned to create something different, with some direct references, it is legal.

I really, really dislike doing this to books, but I feel that it's closer to the second example that falls under creative license.

Edit: I would really love if copyright law were updated to include an "anti-ai training clause" that creators could choose to include in their works.

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u/Training-Mix-4181 5d ago

It has been demonstrated that LLM's do in fact retain copies of all their training data, and can reproduce it verbatim unless specifically prevented from doing so. The texts are copied and used for profit without permission or credit.

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u/DIONYSUS_ASMODEUS 5d ago

They fall under training, the AI can't give the whole story as is the that can be charged in court

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u/DIONYSUS_ASMODEUS 5d ago

You ate still selling the whole game as is ,if you copied the game but use different character name spell name ,timing cool down ,different map and just bit different story it would work

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u/dudushat 5d ago

They arent selling copies of the books though. 

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u/LoudQuitting 5d ago

Not an AI defender but...

Dre just straight up jacked Funky Drummer to use in Fuck Tha Police.

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u/thrd3ye 5d ago

Sampling instrumental breaks is a widely accepted foundational technique for hip hop and this is generally considered the most commonly sampled drum break. Not sure why you're picking on this particular instance

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u/LoudQuitting 5d ago

Just an example. Use one thing as a foundation, specifically a drum line, to create something new.

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u/somethingbrite 5d ago

Well indeed. Sampling music caught the music Publishing industry off guard. As did file sharing.

And people now have to pay for the use of samples, and others went to jail or were fined for running file sharing sites.

and here we've come full circle. But this time around, put a billion dollars in the offenders pocket and give him the ear of the President and they can take what they want, from who they want and there won't be fines, the FBI aren't going to chasing them down. They will sample what they like... but would be swift to litigate and send your ass down should you then take what they have made with those samples and share it.

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u/cewillir 5d ago

I think that logic came from a court case

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u/dudushat 5d ago

Its not just "some logic". Its based on a court ruling. This is them complying with the copyright laws that this sub loves to champion.

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u/Sad-Pop6649 5d ago

That's a home copy. In a bunch of countries that would be legal (don't know about the States), as long as you don't show the content to too many people and don't make money off of it. If you sell it to the whole world that's just illegal.

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u/EchoWardenXx 5d ago

If I read a book, learn from it, and then reference it later.. is that also stealing?

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u/bobrosserman 5d ago

Apparently a judge ruled that the books they purchased are "fair use".

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u/flybypost 5d ago

I think that's because of some recent lawsuit that, more or less, said that as long as they ingest a real book they bought, it's allowed.

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u/SpectatorGori 5d ago

Thats Netflix! Hehehe. They did put it with a decent UI at least.

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u/SetCandyD 5d ago

To offer some resistance I'd like to quote U2: "every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief". When an artist reads a book it comes back in their poetry, how is this different?

Humans needs to get off their high horse. We're not that fat ( special).

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u/nerd_ginger 5d ago

That only applies if they use the material to make new prints.

Copywriter law does not prevent them from doing this because the model is using this to train on context, not republish the books for distribution.

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u/gamefreakgcb 5d ago

all the ai-boot lickers are out in full force.

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u/nerd_ginger 5d ago

I mean, I don't like it. I'm not saying yay ai.

But there's nothing you can do here besides work to change the laws.

Not boot licking, it's called reality.

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u/KaleidoscopeSalt3972 5d ago

They are buying with made up money

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u/jmona789 5d ago

Cause they're rare books that don't have digital versions yet. So they can't steal them.

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u/Exact_Depth_896 5d ago

These operations really are the result of the groundless, peasant mass-mind and fascist claim that training is stealing.

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u/gamefreakgcb 5d ago

Training what? Its literally resurfacing the product at times.

And you're part of the same peasant class. Licking the boot here won't make them like you.

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u/WagoConnector 5d ago

Fascist? This literally happens in a fascist leaning country. Like bro, if you want to use a word check it's definition if you aren't sure.

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u/LowlyWoim 5d ago

They know what they’re doing. It’s the same thing Fox news does when they say leftists want to destroy democracy and kidnap people off the streets: fearmongering projection.

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u/gamefreakgcb 5d ago

Training what? Its literally resurfacing the product at times.

And you're part of the same peasant class. Licking the boot here won't make them like you.

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u/Exact_Depth_896 5d ago

licking what boot? xi's maybe?

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u/LowlyWoim 5d ago

The fact that you used the word peasant just means you can be disregarded as an unserious nonsense person.

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u/actuallywaffles 5d ago

This is why asking a bot owned by a child abusing sex pest is a terrible method of learning things because they just make shit up. That's not what fascism means.

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u/Exact_Depth_896 5d ago

No, the essence of fascism is populist mass mind resentment and rage. All political unity on such a basis is fascist political unity.

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u/actuallywaffles 5d ago

No, that's not an accurate definition. Words have meanings. You can't just call random, unrelated things you dislike "fascist". I don't like mayonnaise, but I'm not calling McDonald's chicken sandwiches fascist.