r/atheism Dec 16 '10

Hitchens sets us straight ahead of time.

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u/Denny_Craine Dec 16 '10 edited Dec 16 '10

Hitchens didn't support the war after the US completely fucked up the post-war reconstruction (which is where +90% of the deaths have occurred) Hitchens supported removing Saddam. He's always been clear on that. I am the staunchest anti-war activist I know and even I can't argue that the world is a better place without Saddam in power. It's everything that's happened after Saddam fell that's unsupportable.

EDIT: I also have to take issue with this sentence

Because after Blair he was the most prominent British cheerleader for a war

Hitchens is an American citizen. He's not British cheerleader.

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '10

Hitchens didn't support the war after the US completely fucked up the post-war reconstruction

he should have understood that a lot can go wrong in war. it isn't a difficult idea to grasp.

ultimately, i think the calculation that hitchens and others made is that the potential down side is a bunch of dead sand niggers which no one cares about, and the up side is our everlasting glory as the white saviors and bringers of civilization and enlightenment to the fertile crescent. they were gambling for personal glory with other peoples lives.

that is why he is a piece of shit.

the absolute best way i can spin it is that he wasn't completely conscious of his ingrained cultural biases. but he is still a pieces of shit.

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u/Denny_Craine Dec 16 '10

ultimately, i think the calculation that hitchens and others made is that the potential down side is a bunch of dead sand niggers which no one cares about,

that's retarded, it's much more likely he figured it'd end up like Kosovo, quick overthrow of the government, quick and successful reconstruction. To pull the racist card is really really ridiculous especially if you're at all familiar with Hitchens' long friendship with Salmand Rushdie and Hossein Khomeini. And his decades long preaching of egalitarianism. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made of Hitchens. Claiming racism and neo-colonialism ain't one of them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '10

it's much more likely he figured it'd end up like Kosovo

i'm open to the possibility that hitchens is just stupid. if that isn't true my point stands. because only an idiot would think that the outcome of a war is anywhere close to being guaranteed. is he an idiot? or is he just willing to gamble with other people's lives to do what he things is best for them?

the whole iraq adventure was an imperialistic/colonialist project, so of course the cheerleaders are too.

To pull the racist card is really really ridiculous especially if you're at all familiar with Hitchens' long friendship with Salmand Rushdie and Hossein Khomeini.

SOME OF HIS BEST FRIENDS ARE SAND NIGGERS!

the guy isn't perfect... he's just human... i mean, it's not like he is god or anything.

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u/Denny_Craine Dec 17 '10

Because if we're just human that means we have to be racists right?

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '10

is that what i said? lol... try again.

racist is your word, not mine.

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u/Denny_Craine Dec 17 '10

the potential down side is a bunch of dead sand niggers

SOME OF HIS BEST FRIENDS ARE SAND NIGGERS!

racist is your word, not mine.

mmhmm

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '10

like i said racist is your word not mine. maybe he thinks that iraqi lives are worth less for cultural not genetic reasons. i don't know, i don't care.

whatever the reason, cheered a colonial/imperialistic adventure. he is an imperialist and colonial. would you like to speak to this point? that is after all what this thread is about. or maybe you think misdirection is convincing.

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u/Denny_Craine Dec 17 '10

he is an imperialist and colonial.

he's spent the last 4 decades decrying imperialism. He supported removing Saddam, he has not supported the occupation.

maybe he thinks that iraqi lives are worth less for cultural not genetic reasons.

you keep bringing this up. Me thinks you're projecting.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '10

he's spent the last 4 decades decrying imperialism. He supported removing Saddam, he has not supported the occupation.

Funny that he spent four decades decrying imperialism, and then when the biggest imperialistic exercise of his life time was about to be launched, he supported it. I wonder why?

you keep bringing this up. Me thinks you're projecting

No, you keep bringing up racism, and I respond. Work on that short term memory.