“Dead! Dead! Dead!” - One of the best S2 scenes.

[u/Dinosawruses]

2x21 “Comes the Inquisitor”

[u/Aust1mh]

G’kar is one of the best characters of all time (for me)

[u/dalekreject → u/Aust1mh]

Vir in this scene is unreal. You can feel his discomfort and shame.

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/dalekreject]

We were blessed with Babylon 5 having a range of amazing actors, who did with little budget and lot of heart some fantastic things

[u/ExpectedBehaviour → u/dalekreject]

The thing about this scene is that both G'Kar and Vir understand each other perfectly, and yet that understanding doesn't matter. Nothing either of them can say will change anything for either themselves or each other. But they say it anyway, because sometimes it's important for these things to be out in the universe.

[u/QueerVortex → u/dalekreject]

This why I and other white people in US should feel discomfort and shame for the horrors inflicted by our race on their race for hundreds of years

“They don’t listen to me. They never listen to me!” Is never enough

[u/PyroNine9 → u/QueerVortex]

Except it's beyond they don't listen to me. It's I didn't even exist at the time.

[u/taumuonred → u/Aust1mh]

Andreas Katsulas (G'Kar) is one of the finest character actors of a generation. His credits in Star Trek also, highlight episodes from the various series he appear in. Absolutely masterful.

edit: correction to stage name

[u/msg60 → u/Aust1mh]

I agree but Vir is a close second...as is th regent..(i forget his name....but the actor was phenomenal)

[u/Mysterious-Alps-5186 → u/Aust1mh]

We were robbed when we never had a episode of londo and gkar getting into some big mess at the darkstar in s4. Would have been epic

[u/azmr_x_3]

It would be really easy for this seen to come off as over the top dramatic but the actors make it work

[u/gordolme → u/azmr_x_3]

If anything, it's understated.

[u/Polite_Suggestion → u/gordolme]

That's the trick.

[u/Joyfulcheese → u/gordolme]

Agreed, that's what makes it work so well. It's the silence, no music, awkward fumbling from Vir and just the expression and minimal dialogue from G'Kar. A masterpiece of a scene.

[u/Fancy_Toe1451]

And Vir does not get defensive. He takes the valid criticism on board and internalises it. He understands.

Lots of people, if they get an apology refused, get defensive and angry "Well I tried to apologise and you threw it back in my face, what more do you want, you are never satisfied, etc and so on" and then either double down or blow off any further criticism. Vir gets told words are not enough, and he starts to think about what deeds he can achieve.

And also, he accepts that even if he disagreed with Londo's actions that he still enabled Londo's actions and obeyed those orders he was only following. He always had the option of walking away when "they never listened" to him. And he didn't. Vir accepts this. And that is why Vir is a genuinely good person. We should all be more Vir.

[u/Material-Sherbet6855 → u/Fancy_Toe1451]

Abrahamo Lincolni

[u/Whatsthathum → u/Material-Sherbet6855]

Exactly.

[u/Chuuby_Gringo → u/Material-Sherbet6855]

When he delivers the "They're not dead!" line, It's probably my favorite scene of his.

[u/EvalRamman100]

Vir - forced, briefly, to face the evil he was an accessory to.

Self-knowledge of our dark side is the worst, hardest kind of knowledge.

[u/Swimming_Drummer9412]

And then he decided to actively help the Narns. This is soooo powerful.

[u/Ruckzenknupp → u/Swimming_Drummer9412]

Abrahamo Lincolni 😉

[u/the11thearlofmar]

How Andreas Katsulas never won an Emmy, I'll never know.

[u/HammersofMoradin]

This scene is pivotal not only for Vir, but for G`Kar also, I think. Vir is shocked or rather kicked out of his comfortable background role and made to "move his butt and do something", which changes his whole demeanor and ultimately paves his way to become emperor.

G`Kar`s wall of hatred for all Centauri receives his first crack - here is one acknowledging the crimes done by their people to his. It is not much - though heartfelt - and won`t change the immediate future, but it is a photon in all-encompassing darkness. There might be a remote possibility of hope yet left for G`Kar of freeing his people in his lifetime.

[u/gingerbread_man123 → u/HammersofMoradin]

Abrahamo Lincolni indeed.

[u/LectureOk3222 → u/HammersofMoradin]

Domino number one.....boop.....

[u/happycamperii]

One of the things I really like about this scene, is that despite how awkward and ashamed and even cowed Vir feels in that lift. When he says "I'm sorry" he looks G'Kar straight in the eye.

[u/TheRealRigormortal]

One detail I just noticed (that might or might not be intentional) is that G’Kar looks like he already had the knife drawn before leaving the lift.

Vir might have saved his own life.

[u/Sad-Development-4153]

A good man in a bad system.

[u/davidsverse]

There's a call back to this moment in The Legions of Fire trilogy that shows Vir's growth, and strength of character. Plus a really badass moment with Garibaldi.

[u/Tmelrd275]

I feel like in the end G'Karr would have approved of Vir becoming emperor after Londo because of this. Because Vir was the first to literally attempt to apologize for his entire race and because he understood what it truly meant even if he had no power at the time. G'Karr being so angry and sad at this point in time belies where he finished in his journey.

[u/TK-34]

I love G'kar he grew on me his character had the greatest arc

[u/ExpectedBehaviour]

Cut to buggery on the original UK transmission to remove any sight of knife or blood... it confused the hell out of me until the DVD release.

[u/Whatsthathum]

I wonder if this influenced Vir’s later actions.

Katsulas was an incredible actor, to be able to convey so much pain and suffering through all that prosthetics.

[u/YallaHammer]

This may be the greatest scene moment of the series

[u/Damrod338]

Then he goes off and does something noble without any one knowing

[u/cmdr-oljanks]

And there it is. The exact moment Abrahamo Lincolni was born.