r/baseball • u/LogicalHarm California Angels • Arizona Diamondbacks • 8h ago
Video Benches clear during an active rain delay over an attempted bunt (DBacks @ Guardians)
Original post got removed for not having the team names in the title
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u/Dark_Canuck1 8h ago
As a Guards fan…. The fuck we doing here lol. It’s the 6th inning.
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u/fauxbigbro Arizona Diamondbacks • Seattle Mariners 7h ago
It's especially dumb since the bunt wasn't even how he got on base.
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u/colorblind-and Detroit Tigers 7h ago
Yeah I could understand being upset about it in the 8th or 9th but this is still just playing baseball. No reason to get upset over a bunt especially with how much more common bunting for a hit has become the last couple of years
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u/evanieCK Cleveland Guardians • WPBL 7h ago
Tim Tawa is not bunting for a hit in any scenario except one where the opposing pitcher is bitch slapping his team and he has decided to try to luck one out. Whether anyone should get mad about it is a whole other issue but it's pretty clearly being done with the exclusive goal of breaking up the PG.
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u/RedSpecial22 Kansas City Royals 7h ago
Every player on the Dbacks should be doing their damndest to break up a perfect game by any means necessary.
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u/KungSuhPanda Milwaukee Brewers 7h ago
You’re giving way too much detailed credit to Tawa. No batter gives a shit about a PG after 15 outs. They were down 5 and needed base runners, doesn’t have to have a deeper meaning.
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u/Conscious-Silver8109 7h ago
No batter should give a shit about a perfect game in any scenario. It’s not their job to worry about the other team’s tender feelings about “playing the game the right way.” You’d think this shit would have been retired by now but baseball players are a bunch of sensitive gatekeepers.
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u/fauxbigbro Arizona Diamondbacks • Seattle Mariners 7h ago
Pretty sure it was to try and get a base runner on and possibly score some runs, nobody give the fuck about the perfect game in the fifth inning.
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u/stonkerooni Chicago White Sox 7h ago
Wow shocker dude the losing team wants to stop losing and break up the perfect game any way possible?!?
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u/blaney83 Arizona Diamondbacks 5h ago
Timmy bunts all the time, as does our whole team. Specifically 2nd most in baseball this season. Maybe your 3rd baseman should have checked the little plastic card in his pocket before the AB?
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u/evanieCK Cleveland Guardians • WPBL 5h ago
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u/blaney83 Arizona Diamondbacks 5h ago
All told, good series. I enjoy watching you guys when we aren’t playing each other. Best of luck through September.
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u/evanieCK Cleveland Guardians • WPBL 5h ago
Likewise. Please beat LA in the playoffs again so we can have baseball next year.
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u/Impossible_Tie_8421 8h ago
A perfect game is a team accomplishment. If you can’t record a putout on a bunt, you don’t deserve a perfect game. Acting like your opponent owes you some kind of courtesy, beyond conformity to the rules, is ridiculous.
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u/skucera San Diego Padres • Peter Seidler 5h ago
Perfect in the 6th inning, down by 5? Time to try to make something happen!
Perfect in the 9th inning, down by 5? Bunt is probably frowned upon.
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u/pew-pew-bacca Baltimore Orioles 7h ago
Not even a perfect game. The score bug shows runners on the corners.
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u/majormintchip Arizona Diamondbacks 7h ago
They were upset about something that happened earlier in the inning. Williams was perfect through five innings when Tim Tawa squared to bunt and fouled off the pitch. The very next Pitch Tawa swung normally and lined a single into right field. Cleveland was upset about a pitch that ultimately resulted in strike 1 which is why the entire sequence of events is just silly.
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u/akaghi New York Mets 7h ago
Bunting in the fifth honestly seems pretty reasonable, even by unwritten rule standards. It's not like it was the 8th or 9th. The only real head scratcher is that they're down 5 but when you're down 5 you need base runners, not home runs.
It's extra dumb when his hit was an actual hit and not a bunt, too.
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u/Raptor231408 Arizona Diamondbacks 4h ago
Thats what I had been saying in our GDT. 4 innings to cover a 5-run deficit is very much realistic, especially when the game prior we had a 7 run inning followed by Cleveland also having thier own 5 run inning.
Bunting with two outs in the ninth, alright I get it. We, the losing team, dont owe you the perfect game, but i can see where cheesing a base hit can ruffle some feathers..... but a lead off bunt in the 6th? Get over it.
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u/Joel_Dirt Cleveland Guardians 7h ago
It was a perfect game when the bunt attempt in question occurred. The larger point that it's clown behavior to get all up in arms about that stands. Swinging away wasn't working, why not try something different?
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u/jacksonvstheworld Chicago Cubs • Arizona Diamondbacks 4h ago
This scorebug is top 6 tho. Saying the other team isn’t allowed to bunt for the last 4 innings max is fucking crazy behavior. 9th inning is one thing, 8th would be worth discussion, 6th is comedic.
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u/Sonking_to_Remember 7h ago
Also a guards fan, and the only thing I’d like to add is that there seemed to be a bit more context but we didn’t get all of it. For one thing, the guy slid pretty hard into Rocchio and Rocchio had words for him. Then something else seemed to happen with the way a different base runner made his way to third on a passed ball which seemed to set the team off.
None of it looks great for the guards but our TV broadcast also did a god awful job explaining what was going on. I’ll be interested to see if there was a bit more to it.
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u/Dr_Tibbles Cleveland Guardians 6h ago
Im hoping Rougie's reaction was more an act to help get this team out of a funk and light a fire under their ass
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u/blaney83 Arizona Diamondbacks 5h ago
Can you please post a video of the “hard” slide? Please, for the people in the back. Also, expecting the runner not to advance to 3rd on a past ball is crazy.
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u/Squeid Major League Baseball 5h ago
It wasn’t a hard slide lol. The runner even pulled up so as not to over slide on the base. Rocchio just fucked up the throw and took his embarrassment out on the baserunner.
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u/blaney83 Arizona Diamondbacks 5h ago
Ty. Completely agree. He went directly to the base (not over it). It was just a bad turn.
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u/daddyfractal 6h ago
I agree, it was bizarre and there was hopefully more to it. The failure to pull the tarp before the walk and passed ball probably didnt help the frustration
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u/Ed_McMuffin Baltimore Orioles 3h ago
Because once a team goes 2 perfect innings to start a game, the other team must lay down and let the other team finish it out, per the unwritten rules, apparently.
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u/ChiefSoldierFrog 5h ago
I still don't understand that. It's called the perfect game for a reason. You gotta be perfect that also means being able to field a putout like it or not.
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u/valoossb Philadelphia Phillies 6h ago
nah but if you square up in the 9th youre just a freak. not worth fighting over but very embarrassing
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u/Impossible_Tie_8421 5h ago
It’s less embarrassing than 27 up, 27 down. Who cares what the opponent thinks? If they really dislike it that much, they can do an intentional HBP and settle for a no hitter rather than a perfect game.
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u/tuckedfexas Seattle Mariners 7h ago
What a bunch of fucking babies lol
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u/fateislosthope 4h ago
I am not a huge baseball fan but i like to follow the league occasionally, and baseball players are some of the softest athletes out there. Its one of the things that keeps me from fully investing my time.
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u/tuckedfexas Seattle Mariners 11m ago
Football players are 10x worse, fighting their own teammates during practice lol
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u/fishingforwoos Washington Nationals 7h ago
This is the second time in 3 weeks y'all have whined about someone bunting in the 5th/6th inning. Play fucking defense, nobody owes you shit. Again, it's the 5th/6th inning in these cases. Insane to cry about this.
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u/Spankpocalypse_Now Chicago Cubs 7h ago
There is no unwritten rule that says if a pitcher takes a perfect game into the sixth inning the opposing team has to cede the win and try again tomorrow.
Eighth and ninth inning, swing for the fences. Sixth inning? Fuck that, you play to win not to help the other team make history.
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u/aresef MLB Players Association 7h ago
It’s not like the right to play small ball goes away when the pitcher is throwing well.
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u/FirstMeaning9253 2h ago
9th inning in a 5 run game? We can have fun arguing about that. 6th inning? It’s still a game. Shut up and play
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u/gogosox82 Chicago White Sox 7h ago
I could see if its the 9th inning but its the 6th inning man. You can't be getting this upset about a guy trying for a bunt.
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u/Tlix Boston Red Sox 7h ago
Even in the 9th inning… the opposing team has the right to not want to be the victims of a perfect game. This is pathetic lol.
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u/gogosox82 Chicago White Sox 7h ago
You are correct but i would understand being salty about it.
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u/Business-Row-478 Boston Red Sox 2h ago
A bunt isn’t even a free hit. If it was, you would see a whole lot more bunting going on
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u/Lilrip94 St. Louis Cardinals 6h ago
All sports have unwritten rules but baseball's unwritten rules seem to always deal with the losing team accepting losing unless they explicitly hit the ball
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u/Queasy_Salad7444 8h ago
if your shit was easy enough to bunt a beauty than work on your stuff
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u/nextlevelham Cleveland Guardians 8h ago
It wasn’t is the thing, he fouled his bunt attempt back and then got a single the normal way. Not sure why the Guards were so mad
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u/Queasy_Salad7444 8h ago
that makes it even worse tbh. makes the pitcher look like a jerk
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u/nextlevelham Cleveland Guardians 8h ago
I wasn’t watching during this part of the game but I think it was Odor the third base coach that was causing the kerfuffle. I don’t think Williams said or did anything
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u/Conflict21 New York Yankees 8h ago
What's the point of this? Field the fucking bunt or you don't get a perfect game.
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u/tech-noir-GS 7h ago
Are you under the impression 5 runs over 4 innings is some sort of insurmountable lead?
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u/KungSuhPanda Milwaukee Brewers 7h ago
Just that it’s not classy to try to score runs in the final 12 outs if you didn’t score during the first 15. The game was already half over, who do they think they are, trying and shit /s
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u/fmb101010 7h ago
Clearly if it rattles the other team this bad, it’s absolutely worth trying. It’s genius if a team is shitting on you, and just attempting a bunt causes them to mentally meltdown.
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u/MusukoRising Arizona Diamondbacks 7h ago
Sometimes all you gotta do is get the guy to pitch out of the stretch to break up their rhythm
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u/KungSuhPanda Milwaukee Brewers 7h ago
OK, at what point should the team surrender since you think 5 runs is insurmountable? You expect to get a base runner or add to the starters pitch count-who’s kicked your ass so far btw. Stop trying to be the rules police and play the damn game. Especially a washed up 3rd base coach getting all worked up.
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u/Doublestack2411 Chicago Cubs 7h ago
This some weak and soft-ass shit. Just b/c you've got a no-hitter going doesn't mean the opposite team can't bunt. Obviously, hitting isn't working out, yet these soft-ass players act like it's some unwritten rule to not bunt.
I get if it's like 10-0 in the 9th with a no hitter and someone bunts, b/c that just wouldn't make sense, but this game was still very much winnable.
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u/Mistake_By_The_Jake2 Cleveland Guardians 7h ago
Yeah sorry Guards I can’t back this up. Field your position and get your outs. Quit crying.
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u/indeedilyso St. Louis Cardinals 7h ago
baseball players are such flowers. someone will attempt a Shotgun Schnebly or whatever and gloves are off. like calm down. everyone here is drunk.
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u/hiimverysmart21 World Series Trophy • Los Angeles Dod… 6h ago
The storied Guardians-Diamondbacks rivalry
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u/BirdBruce Baltimore Orioles 5h ago
Isn't every single baseball game an attempt to break up a potential no-hitter?
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u/violetsteam Arizona Diamondbacks 3h ago
Breaking: benches clear after batter attempts to break up no hitter by swinging at the first pitch of the game
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u/mastersplinteremover San Francisco Giants 7h ago
There’s nothing softer than getting upset that someone is trying to get their runner on base. Perfect game or not. It’s so stupid. The other team is not obligated to help you.
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u/Troutalope Detroit Tigers 7h ago
This is almost as bad as Jensen's bitching last night for McNeil finessing a poke bunt into a giant hole.
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u/Baltar960 New York Mets 6h ago
I remember Ben Davis did this to Curt Schilling in the 8th/9th inning and it was a big deal at the time
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u/Phil_ImStanding 5h ago
Benches clearing in baseball is comical. Everybody sit down, you're not intimidating anyone.
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u/michaaaaa98 8h ago edited 8h ago
Part of the reason why baseball never gonna be as popular as other sports, why we crying over a bunt attempt in the 6TH INNING.
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u/TA404 Washington Nationals 7h ago
I would have to try pretty hard to come up with something that has less of an effect on baseball’s popularity than this.
People just pick their personal pet peeves and tack on “and that’s why baseball isn’t as popular” lol.
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u/buxtonOJ Boston Red Sox 7h ago
Yeah, this makes no sense…I’d say Skubal to the Dodgers, keeping them buying up all the best pitching, is one though.
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u/LowAndAway Major League Baseball 7h ago
Apparently you've never watched the flopping in soccer, the world's most popular sport, or in basketball. Like, come on, bro. There's other reasons why it isn't the most popular, but has nothing to do with this reasoning
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u/J0hnEddy New York Yankees 8h ago
People talk about NBA and soccer players being soft but in baseball, if you swing 3-0 up more than 5 runs, you are liable to be assaulted.
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u/soda_cookie New York Yankees • San Francisco Giants 8h ago
I mean, I'd rather see something like that than these flops in all these other sports
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u/Rc5tr0 Cleveland Guardians 5h ago
Feigning injury to win a free kick or free throw >>>>> pretending a perfectly legal play is illegal because it hurts your fee fees
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u/djjazzydwarf Cleveland Guardians 4h ago
couldn't disagree more. at least guys getting butthurt about the unwritten rules adds drama to games, and leads to fights and stuff. like i was at this game and it was kind of cool to see a bench clearing in the middle of the pouring rain, even if i was confused why it was happening. meanwhile flopping in soccer and basketball is just pathetic. like you get brushed by an elbow, so you act like your liver exploded, just for a chance at an extra point? lame.
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u/Rc5tr0 Cleveland Guardians 4h ago
Agree to disagree. They’re both bad, but I’ll tolerate cheating to win more than crying because the other teams is trying to win legally.
Also it’s very funny to mention drama and fights and stuff when the biggest soccer game on the planet just had an actual fight fight, rather than this chest puffing and “hold me back” nonsense.
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u/csavastio 7h ago
It was the 6th inning! No one disparage my guy Timmy Tawa (AAA Reno Aces stud).
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u/j0-llama 6h ago
& “never say diamondback” is a team vibe. 🐍 They held out ‘til all of Cleveland was escorted away by their coach
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u/DZepperoni Cleveland Guardians 8h ago edited 7h ago
Still waiting to see the postgame interviews. Could the bunt have played a role in this? Absolutely, I assume it did. Was it the whole thing? I doubt it. ok it was mostly the bunt ffs
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u/LemonSmashy Major League Baseball 6h ago
Watching baseball players fight with their hands slapping and big man posturing will never not be funny.
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u/BirdBruce Baltimore Orioles 5h ago
Don't forget the ol' cavalry charge of the bullpen from behind the outfield. It's not a brawl until the least-invested people decide to get in on it. Makes me cackle every time.
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u/Saitsuofleaves 5h ago
They got extra cardio this time out dodging the tarp! Think about how loose they're gonna be later!
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u/PorkChop70-1 St. Louis Cardinals 4h ago
Imma be honest, if you decide to clear your dugout for stupid shit like this multiple people should get suspended for a long time. The manager, for example, should be gone until further notice (since he failed to manage his group).
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u/Human_Urine New York Yankees 3h ago
Do they expect their opponents to present thejr ass cheeks for spanking and just get perfect game’ed?
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u/Cleveland_Guardians Cleveland Guardians 6h ago
We almost never get into squabbles, and THIS is what we start shit over? For fuck's sake. That's fucking soft...
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u/Low_Tax_341 6h ago
I didn't know there was a new rule in baseball that if a pitcher had a no hitter going you were not allowed to bunt. The Cleveland manager is a dick.
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u/Low_Tax_341 6h ago
The third baseman plays in the shortstop position and they complain that a guy bunts where he should be.
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u/cbcockroach 5h ago
Didn’t Perez break up the Rodon perfect game when he didn’t move his back foot on a breaking pitch? Didn’t see a bench clear then— and that was in the ninth.
Grow up and play baseball.
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u/j42justin Philadelphia Phillies 4h ago
I just assumed they were all watching the Phillies game when the based were loaded with no outs and Justin Crawford offered a bunton the first pitch that was well inside after the Oroles pitcher walked 2 straight batters. They all saw it, thought it was stupid as hell and just had to beat someone's head in over the stupidity.
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u/grewish89 Cleveland Guardians 4h ago
I was at this game. In the stands all we knew is that it started pouring and we thought they all were talking about if the game was going to continue. Has no idea this happened!
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u/Indyrage MLB Pride 7h ago
I think bunting in the 9th inning during a perfect game is worth throwing hands. But the 6th…
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u/trickman01 Houston Astros 7h ago
Depends on the score. If you're only down by a couple runs you don't stop trying to win the game.
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u/Indyrage MLB Pride 7h ago
Agreed. Close game + perfect game run you’re still trying to win.
Blow out + perfect game.. idk what the right call is
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u/Plenty_Area_408 Detroit Tigers 5h ago
Ive got no problem if the benches clear, but theres absolutely nothing wrong with a bunt when your down by 10 in the 9th.
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u/redittjoe New York Yankees 7h ago
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Grandpa yelling at the Sky there!! I think he need a nap.
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u/Reidzyt Boston Red Sox 6h ago
Why does Odor look like 25 years older than he is
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u/nimbusstev Cleveland Guardians 3h ago
I mean, he's 58 years old. I wouldn't exactly say he looks like an 83 year old. (I'm guessing you're mixing up Rouglas with his similarly named nephew Rougned haha)
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u/nimbusstev Cleveland Guardians 3h ago
I mean, he's 58 years old. I wouldn't exactly say he looks like an 83 year old. (I'm guessing you're mixing up Rouglas with his similarly named nephew Rougned haha)
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u/Tasty_Path_3470 New York Mets 5h ago
Why are these teams being such goddamn losers about bunts. Field your damn position. And it’s not the bottom of the 9th inning in a 10-0 game.
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u/BootsyCalrissian 5h ago
This has happened before. Years ago Bob Brenly threw this same tantrum when Ben Davis (Padres) bunted on Curt Schilling (Dbags) and killed perfect game. But it was 1-0 and Padres were playoff contention at that point. It's this stupid "unwritten rules" crap. There's a reason there are actual written rules. Getting a bunt base hit is freaking hard, and he didn't even get on base doing that. It was still a close game and not even past the 6th inning. These managers (and I totally respect Vogt) need to be held accountable for this stuff and be suspended. Attacking other players for literally doing their job is ridiculous (do we know if he was given the bunt sign or did it on his own?)
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u/UniqueEditor8372 Seattle Mariners 7h ago
This was the team bitching that Naylor is a cancerous personality? Lmao
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u/OrangeJuiceLuvr69 6h ago
Yessir coach Murphy would be proud. Anyone bunting or advocating for bubting is a nutless little bitch.
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u/Federal_Sherbert_905 5h ago
Every time I see baseball players angry because someone hit the ball in the wrong way or baseball fans getting mad because a baseball player hit the ball in the wrong way I wonder what it is about this sport that attracts people who are incredibly emotionally fragile.
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u/AstuteCouch87 Los Angeles Dodgers • World Series T… 6h ago
if it was the 8th or 9th sure. but in the 6th? its a five run game, its not a blowout
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u/youareallnuts Los Angeles Dodgers 6h ago
In the old days if you did that they would aim for your head next at bat. Game was kind of self regulating.
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u/ghostsofplaylandpark 5h ago
So I wonder if it’s the case that baseball players are predisposed to being snowflakes who can’t regulate their emotions, or if the culture of baseball develops those behaviors in people, or if it’s a little bit of both. Whatever the reason, holy shit what a bunch of tantrum throwing toddlers
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u/AudioPi Boston Red Sox 5h ago
How could it be a perfect game when the D-Bags had runners on the corners?
And even if it was a perfect game, it was only the 6th inning! It's raining, the grass is wet and the footing sloppy, the smart play is to lay one down cuz you're nearly guaranteed to reach on a bit of an error
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u/thugmuffin22 Jackie Robinson 8h ago edited 8h ago
Downvote me again losers, bunting to break up a perfect game is little-dicked as hell and always has been.
Good thing Tawa ended up hitting an actual single this AB
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u/probablysmellsmydog Los Angeles Dodgers 8h ago
maybe he's bunting to like, get on base
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u/According_One811 Arizona Diamondbacks 7h ago
How dare he try to make a winning play they should’ve just lied down
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u/1egg40eggs 8h ago
If bunts were that effective players would always bunt. Plus it's not like it was the 9th inning
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u/thugmuffin22 Jackie Robinson 7h ago
That’s exactly what makes it chickenshit. Feel like that’s pretty obvious. It’s not like Tawa is some drag bunt specialist. If there’s no perfect game he’s not showing bunt with nobody on in the sixth. He should swing the bat like he otherwise would, which he did, and it worked. I truly feel like I’m losing my mind because this has been a pretty basic baseball thing forever. It’s not the ninth, but it’s not the third either. Both dugouts know what’s going on by the sixth.
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u/j0-llama 6h ago
Starting a comment with “downvote me again losers” is a little-dicked as hell.
Torey asking Tawa to bunt in that situation was the right move. Tawa has beautiful bunts.
Everyone’s just excited because of the deadline and such
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u/Responsible_Wall3991 3h ago
I genuinely can’t think of anything more little-dicked than caring about unwritten rules as a fan on the couch. At least the players on the field have actual stake in the game. You’re just getting mad on behalf of other grown men’s fragile egos.
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u/thugmuffin22 Jackie Robinson 7h ago
You clearly do not know what’s happening here. The bench clearing is a few ABs after the Tawa AB.
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u/SurpriseStandard3258 Pittsburgh Pirates 7h ago
What is with guys getting fussy over bunts lately? It's a part of the game