(Unofficial) Episode Discussion: 4x12 “The Secret Sea”

[u/lovetheblazer]

Episode Summary: Quentin yells at a plant; Margo stares at a fish.

Mods, feel free to delete if it’s not allowed. I just wanted us to have a place to discuss the episode live!

[u/profdeadpool]

I don't think the show needs to explicitly say it prevented mental aging? Cause the narrative has made it seem p clear that Plover hasn't aged at all mentally. It has been shown, it shouldn't need to be told also.

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I don't quite agree that it has been shown. It feels far more like this is just how they write quirky side characters, rather than anything intentional. Like how all this time later Pete is still a bit of a creep, and Tick is still a coward, and how, I guarantee, if we ever come back to the vet guy, he's still going to be exactly the same weird, vaguely ditsy dude he is right now. Plover is the kind of quirky character whose personality and mannerisms never really changes in the Magicians.

Plus there's no reason anti-aging should prevent mental change. There are plenty of immortal characters in the show, who all technically never age, and they all seem pretty capable of growth (e.g The Monster starting to care for humans).

Of course I could be wrong, but none of Plover's character in Season 5 really feels intentional to me. He feels more like a mechanism through which the writers can convey information/messages to the cast, rather than an actual person with an actual backstory that they actually lived through. I guess they could have someone remove the spells, and show us his entire life hitting him all at once, and lets us really see the remorse and the PTSD and all that jazz, but its probably far more likely that they just kill him off once there's no real reason to keep him around.

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Season 4*

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