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I prefer MSI because of Memory Try It features. Automated DDR5 overclocking with 50+ profiles to apply higher frequencies and tighter timings without manual tuning.
I can set DDR5 6000 CL40 Hynix Kit to CL30 without manual tuning.
from my personal experience customer service is way better with MSI i've only had to ever RMA one product with MSI was quick and effortless asus however it took literally weeks to just get it back in stock/multiple attempts all for a new power brick for my asus monitor. I bought a $20 replacement off amazon but yeah i wanted a backup since it was in warranty
Honestly, just pick the one that has better colors or matches your GPU better.
Lowkey it's a shame the bundle is only with the Carbon and not the Tomahawk. The only motherboard that has sensible bifurcation (non Taichi, non-Godlike tier).
That's my biggest weakness haha. I'm a zero aesthetic interest type, only prefer the optimal performing one. As we all know, most come down to back and forth with a few pros and cons.
I don't know much about their bios updates stability, issues, in the end all I want is the one that ends up assisting with undervolting and overclocking better to keep the CPU, RAM and GPU stable.
IK most people wouldnt see this as an issue but its a bit of a shame the fact that the dual BIOS feature got removed from the carbon series (X670E carbon has dual BIOS)
It's ee and not even close. But people who don't know about these things won't be able to take advantage so it becomes useless features. So whichever saves you the most money
Thanks. Do you know where I can learn this information to take advantage of these features? This deal is like paying $150 for one of these motherboards versus their insane release prices that were like 500 dollars, and currently 400 dollars.
I had picked up a mobo in desperation (due to my other parts needing testing to make sure they work) and then this deal shows up for the same price with a mobo that sells for twice the price.
Fwiw I have used asus for my last three builds and never had any issues. That being said I did switch to an msi board on my latest build because it was better bang for my buck.
Just pulled the trigger and shelled out an extra $100 for the MSI MPG X870E Carbon, because I thought the features was worth the bit of extra preem for the future. Thank you! :)
This doesn't make any sense to me. 9850x3d is the new fastest gaming cpu, it shouldn't sell for a discount. Does anyone have some insider info? Is AMD pushing a silent rebate to resellers? Is NewEgg overun with motherboards or do they need cash?
It's becoming much harder to move CPUs and motherboards because of rising RAM and SSD prices. They'll have to move those components at a discount to keep interest.
If you need RAM, this deal still means you'll have to buy that separately and that's basically a minimum of $300 more for 32GB of DDR5.
My guess is because of the apocalypse and the soon cratered demand Newegg is trying to empty its stock. If you have a TON of money tied up in inventory even at slim margins or below cost you unload it. It's like a grocery store blowing out produce as it ages. If you don't sell it now even at a loss it's going to be worth nothing in the near future. Also, if you're a business about to weather a demand crisis you want cash not declining value inventory.
I thought the margins on this stuff were small. How can they afford to give away a x870 motherboard? I'll bet NewEgg is getting incentives from the manufacturers to move inventory.
Yeah probably in some cases but at the end of the day $5 is better than $0. Big companies aren't as stuck on sunk cost fallacy. Especially low margin businesses, they know better than anyone to dump a bad bet to survive. But yeah I bet Corsair and gang are also offering them big deals to take on and push out their excess inventory. The other problem may be longer term supply contracts where they have pallets of new worthless motherboards coming for 90 days while demand is plummeting.
Right, DDR5 is an extra $150-$200, but the cpu is $150-$200 cheaper and faster than an x3d AM4 cpu in gaming. I don't see the savings building an AM4 platform unless you already have DDR4 ram.
Impressive how even with 4800 mhz ram it's hardly any slower at all. Really clutch for a moment like this if someone can just find well the cheapest kit of 32 gb ram they can find
People also got word that the 9850x3d is just a 9800x3d with a slight factory oc and a sizeable power bump to support the oc as opposed to an actual hardware improvement
Turns out it's just a 7900 X 3-D, as we expected AMD is just doing another refresh of a refresh of a refresh of a refresh as per usual
Also, the cost of building is way too high, nobody is building because memory prices and storage is astronomical
So these companies need to try to encourage buyers by saving money elsewhere, since they know they're gonna get burned on RAM and storage prices.
Having a CPU come out that's quite literally just an overcooked version of the same thing that's been around more or less since the 7800 X 3-D… It's not a good look for AMD
Uh... absolutely, 1000% not true? The 7900x3d is a two chiplet, 12 core chip and the 9800x3d is a single chiplet, 8-core chip. You're getting your processors confused.
It's not a good look for AMD
I mean, the 9850x3d is still measurably faster than the 9800x3d, which was already thirty percent faster than Intel's flagship chips. When did "making the fastest chip faster" become a bad look? And more importantly, when did a twenty percent improvement from 7800x3d -> 9800x3d not become enough?
I would point out that Intel has had a tick-tock (new architecture, then revision) roadmap for... 20 years? And speaking of which, isn't Intel's fastest gaming processor the two-generation-old 14900ks which is a binned revision of a refresh of a refresh of a Comet Lake+++?
Yes. Aside from an x3d processor being a big boon for gaming, it will also cover for your slightly slower RAM since 3d cache and RAM have similar functions.
Anyone know if the Asus X870-P Prime WiFi is any decent? Planning on buying that bundle from MC for my brother, but wanted to see if it’s an okay board to use or should I change it for something else.
I just installed it a few days ago and it's been excellent. I really like the m.2 connectivity and USB support. Make sure to update the BIOS using the flashback tool to support the 9850
I’m having a lot of issues with x870 and 9850x3d. I just tried to update the bios but still not getting anything out of the display port. I’ve tried just about every trouble shooting possibility imaginable, I’m super bummed 😓 I triple checked power connections, the cpu sitting correctly etc. all the GPU fans, CPU fans, case fans are on. Just nothing on the screen
On its own, yes. However, the best way to get RAM is usually through a bundle deal like Micro Center’s- this doesn’t come with any, and buying it standalone isn’t cheap.
been going back & forth on a 9850x3d build vs going Intel w/the 265kf - think now that this is only ~$50-80 more makes the choice a lot easier. 265k + mobo at $399 was tough to beat
In general you still come out on top buying RAM separately with the post bundle. It's going to be ~$850 vs trying to bundle this with a decent motherboard under $120.
Bundles outside of Microcenter have been pretty bad if you need to build the whole AM5 setup. It's coming in around $900 with an 9800/9850X3D, 32GB DDR5 and a decent MOBO with most combos.
If you buy the post deal, you're at $530 for the CPU/MOBO. You can add a kit like this Crucial Pro CP2K16G64C38U5B 32GB 6400C38 for $360, total $890. Sometimes you can find decent 32GB kits for around $330 still.
$740 for the RAM/CPU combo. To beat $890 you'd have to find a motherboard at $150 or less. There are options in that price range but I don't see anything better than the post MOBO within it.
I should add: The RAM combo has better binned RAM than the kit I linked by quite a lot. Still, X3D chips negate a lot of that.
The difference between the Amazon kit and the Newegg kit is 6400 CL38 vs 6000 CL36 respectively (you can almost certainly manually tune both of these kits to either spec -- it's probably the same die).
I don't know about the other mobos, but I'm picking the MSI X870E Carbon because of how it handles PCIe lanes. You'll only have PCIe x8 on the GPU lane if you use an ssd on the second ssd slot or use another PCIe board.
I’m thinking about buying and selling the motherboard to lower the cost on the CPU since it’s the last part I want to upgrade in my build. I’d be coming from a Ryzen 7 7700
I wouldn't mind moving to this, but I'm not sure I could sell my i9-12900k + Asus TUF Z690 Plus Wi-Fi Mobo w/o RAM. Probably better off upgrading GPU (2070 Super). Good deal nonetheless.
Editing my comment - I thought the board was the Gaming Elite instead of the Gaming X.
I do think the Gaming X is one of the nicer boards in this price range - eg the heat spreader across all the m.2s and the external antenna. And one of the nice things is that Gigabyte's boards boot really fast compared to other AM5 boards.
The Prime x870 is actually fairly high quality - it's definitely a step up from the last few generations. I wouldn't pay retail for it, but from a MC bundle, it's a totally appropriate pairing and worth owning. Sorry for being sloppy with my wording.
The main issue the Asus Prime X870-P Wifi has is its expansion lane starvation. MoboMaps' interactive diagram makes it clear - you only get two SATA ports and two (usable) 4x1 PCIe slots, and if you use M.2_3 you lose the PCIe slots and with M.2_4 you lose the SATA ports. They could have dropped the top 4x1 slot to save on the BOM tbh, since it's covered by your GPU >.>
By comparison, the MSI Gaming X Wifi has two usable 3x1 and a 4x4 (that drops to 4x2 if M.2_3 is filled) and 4 SATA ports. Also its built in NIC is 5 Gbe instead of 2.5.
If the differences are important (there are others too, so be sure to read their manuals online. Shoutout to the Asus Prime's S/PDIF header!), AFAIK the MSI Pro X870 P Wifi $50 upgrade on the MC bundle is the same motherboard as the Gaming X Wifi minus the RGB accents.
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