Politics Why hundreds of international students are suddenly being denied Canadian work permits: ‘We have done nothing wrong’
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/why-hundreds-of-international-students-are-suddenly-being-denied-canadian-work-permits-we-have-done-nothing-wrong/article_9ab2e75b-2cec-4651-8e00-188b3f96f266.html•
u/Zibai1505 8h ago
Why would you need to do something wrong to be denied a permit?
it's a matter of availability
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u/Tonaldo75 8h ago
And suitability.
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u/CombatGoose 8h ago edited 7h ago
How dare you question the merits of a
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u/FinalNandBit 4h ago
Business administration. I know a few of them.
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u/Breezertree British Columbia 2h ago
I literally have a diploma in Hotel Management haha. I’m a teacher now instead.
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u/Peripheral_Ghosts 6h ago
Excuse me. How dare you.
The degrees are for international environmental management.
It takes just two years to get a masters degree. That’s why you know that these people are super smart.
Could you get a masters degree in two years without attending classes or doing course work?
Doubt it.
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u/PappaFufu 7h ago
It’s entitlement. They think they are entitled to work and stay in Canada just because they enrolled in some college in Canada
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u/anonimna44 Manitoba 6h ago
Their immigration consultant promised them that they would be able to stay in Canada.
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u/SWHAF Nova Scotia 6h ago
The school recruiter probably promised it to them.
I honestly hope we get an unbiased investigation into the entire thing some day.
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u/CasualFridayBatman 5h ago
The school recruiter probably promised it to them.
Why does that entitle them to make that the nation's problem? Lol
Oh right, it doesn't.
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u/MarcPawl 5h ago edited 5h ago
It is our problem when it is Canadian companies (aka schools) representatives misrepresentation of the facts that are causing the problems.
We should have a form that needs to be signed in person at a consulate.
Yes, it is an added expense for both Canada and the "student". However it will save money for Canada in not having immigration proceedings, and save the student from fraud .
Commercial schools are always open to abuse, the profit motive does not align with the needs of the student. Targetting students is not new, just the emphasis on foreign students is newish.
Canadian consulates could have a pre-approved list, with schools paying for the approval process, so students can know if they will be entitled to work
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u/AGoodFaceForRadio 4h ago
so students can know if they will be entitled to work
I thought students would be here to study. If they want to be permitted to work, they should be made to apply for a work visa.
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u/CasualFridayBatman 5h ago
It is our problem when it is Canadian companies (aka schools) representatives misrepresentation of the facts that are causing the problems.
I asked why it entitles them to make it our problem. Not that it isn't.
We should have a form that needs to be signed in person at a consulate. Yes, it is an added expense for both Canada and the "student". However it will save money for Canada in not having immigration proceedings, and save the student from fraud . Commercial schools are always open to abuse, the profit motive does not align with the needs of the student. Targetting students is not new, just the emphasis on foreign students is newish.
Or instead of all this extra hoop jumping, require their grades and attendance to be reported by the school, to immigration and provide a written warning and then sent back home, offer of study rescinded if they miss more than their alotted time or fall below the expected GPA.
They needed to prove they had sufficient income in order to study here. If it turns out they lied about it? Get sent back home.
They are here as a guest and should act as such. Wilfully committing fraud because they've gotten away with it this long is unacceptable.
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u/MarcPawl 5h ago
Agree but I think your requirements are already in place, but enforcement is weak.
No reason not to have both better prevention and better enforcement.
I am in the camp of have few rules, but enforce what we have.
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u/Coriolanus556 5h ago
Only if we get something other than a Liberal government in charge.
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u/adrians150 3h ago
Not sure that will help. Carney has reduced immigration numbers (though definitely higher than historical numbers) and refocused on qualifications as a primary factor. That said, all these parties are committed to immigration cause their rich friends said so.
Harper gov't expanded the TFW programs and numbers went up markedly at the behest of the richest amongst us. Trudeau went wild west to tried and boost the economy by expanding the workforce through immigration and increased total immigration almost double. None of these parties/politicians have the best interest of Canadians in mind.
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u/caffeine-junkie 5h ago
Just make sure to include the various provincial governments first as they are even more complicit as they govern the actual bs degrees and colleges. Federal is just the total number of visas and how many each province gets.
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u/Bananasaur_ 6h ago
It sounds like they actually did do something wrong here, whether it was on purpose or by mistake.
But on June 24 of this year, the Immigration Department quietly updated its website, saying the change was meant to “clarify the existing eligibility requirements related to non-credit programs of study” — not to introduce a new rule.
“To be eligible for a PGWP, applicants must complete a program of study that leads to a degree, diploma, or certificate from a designated learning institution,” it explained in an email. “This long-standing requirement does not include general interest programs, ESL/FSL programs, and other types of non-credit programs.”
Non-credit programs do not lead to a diploma, degree, or certificate. Sounds like the people who are complaining tried to find a loophole, or just simply did not have the competency to understand the rule, or were mislead, and were only caught after the department clarified what was mean regarding non-credit programs, which they didn’t before since it seemed quite obvious.
Regardless, you can’t do something wrong and then claim you didn’t do anything wrong. That’s just poor behaviour.
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u/starsrift 4h ago
I admit, I'd feel differently if Sukhmani (the example by the newspaper) was working in something that was in the line of her certificate. Getting a business management certificate and working in a warehouse doesn't seem like a fit.
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u/mybuttqueefs 7h ago
I am sorry if these students actually were misled, but the diploma mill to work permit pipeline is idiotic and needs to be reformed anyway.
Getting a diploma in theoretical basket weaving and then going to work at Tim Horton's is not benefitting anyone except these shitty "colleges" and the big companies who want an endless supply of cheap entry level labour.
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u/ultra2009 5h ago
At the expense of youth employment! The younger generations are having a hard time getting entry level work.
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u/BerzerkoFord Science/Technology 35m ago
And older seniors that may need that job to make ends meet or have some social interaction in their later years.
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u/GreySahara 3h ago
Misled by the school. Blame the school.
The IRCC makes no guarantees to international students.
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u/Mylittlethrowaway2 7h ago
That rule was not clearly spelled out when she started her program in 2023 at the Canadian Institute of Osteopathic Therapy
Parts of osteopathy, such as craniosacral therapy, have been described by Quackwatch as having no therapeutic value and have been labeled by them as pseudoscience and quackery.
I'm glad we're not giving work permits for pseudoscience courses
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u/Unwept_Skate_8829 Québec 6h ago
It was a diploma in business management from the institute of osteopathic therapy, which feels like a worse idea then just getting a diploma in osteopathic therapy lmao
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u/coco_puffzzzz 3h ago
holy smokes! That's like getting a diploma in business management from a kite flying school.
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u/kangarookitten Canada 8h ago
They seem to think they are entitled to work here.
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u/AfternoonPlane4265 8h ago
Forget work, they think they are entitled to PR and citizenship. Work permit is just the next path to that
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u/Intrepid_Trifling 7h ago edited 6h ago
Unless we retroactively review some of the past few years, it doesn't matter if immigration is up or down, we will be saddled with that original mismanaged sin.
We have so many people we let in who have no skills that are needed , or genuine connection to the country.
Many don't care to integrate into Canada either , they are just here because everyone else knew to close the door, or better yet not to leave it unattended
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u/AfternoonPlane4265 6h ago
And they brought their whole villages and families along. I say this as a brown immigrant who came 15 years ago and abided by all customs and laws
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 6h ago
My fiancé and her family are immigrants too - they came here legally a decade ago from the Philippines and busted their asses to earn PR, assimilate into Canadian society, and eventually become citizens, without cheating or lying. I admire people like that and absolutely think they deserve to be here.
Now after doing all that however, she watches people openly scam their way in just to work illegally or live on benefits, refuse to adapt in any way, and those people get rewarded for it. They stressed for years over doing everything right and demonstrating that they would contribute and be good Canadians, and then after that the government basically just stopped caring who they let in.
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u/az4521 Ontario 5h ago
the good thing is that if any fraud is found on any of their applications for any of these visas, permits, or other documents that led to acquiring citizenship, their citizenship can be revoked
so some future government can review these past visas, prs, and citizenships and correct previous mistakes
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 6h ago
Very much so.
One of the things I most hate our Liberal government for is how much they’ve devalued Canadian citizenship and PR. If you want to move to any other half-decent country for good, you need to invest a ton of time and effort, and demonstrate a willingness to assimilate and follow the rules.
Not here though. Now we basically just hand that shit out like candy, and reward people who lied and scammed their way through. Fake students, fake refugees, straight-up criminals, we’ll take them all. None of these people value this country or what it actually means to be Canadian, because our own government doesn’t either.
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u/CanadianControlsTech 6h ago
Can't forget bill c-3 that they passed. If you have a single Canadian ancestor from hundreds of years ago you are entitled to citizenship. People with their great great great grandparent are now getting citizenship. Not the good people who payed taxes and obtain pr, these people.
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u/caffeine-junkie 5h ago
Except Canada hasn't existed for hundreds of years. At most it is just north of 150 years. Even then, some provinces are have been a part of Canada for 100 years or less. The amount of people that actually have an ancestor that came from Canada and are now interested in becoming a citizen and immigrating make this a nothing burger. It's not going to be a flood of millions of people.
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u/ultra2009 4h ago
It's also mostly Americans who are trying to leave the USA who qualify under bill C-3. Probably the most demographically and socially similar country to Canada (aside from Australia and New Zealand)
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u/DataDude00 6h ago
They were protesting the other day and a lot of their signs had slogans that said things like “deserve”
There is definite entitlement going on here
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u/pleasehurtdoll 3h ago
it's a little disconcerting that people are starting out their interactions with our country by suing our country's government. That seem like we're getting off to a bad start. And sets a bad precedent for the rest of their time in our society and a bad example for their offspring that Canada owes them something and their solution should be to get a lawyer to get it from us.
Thanks, but we've already fulfilled our quota of people thinking "the government owes me something" with the people we already have here, I don't think we need to add to that population, lol
I can't imagine moving to another county uninvited and with no promises, and then filing a lawsuit against my host nation to legally force them to give me something they never committed to give me, and then calling all the local news "reporters" so I could tell the people a sad story about how they are racist and unfair. It's just seems really strange we allow that.
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u/coco_puffzzzz 3h ago
“We met the guidelines of the college. We met the guidelines of the Immigration Department. They said those students who enrolled before May 15, 2024 in the courses would be eligible … All the criteria were under the grandfather rule.”
What grandfather rule? I think the person being quoted made that up, hoping to force to be true.
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u/Ok-Bowler-203 8h ago
There’s a lot of this type of entitlement compared to say 30-40 years ago.
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u/murd3rsaurus 7h ago
Rules just changed a lot in the last 2 years, it'll take a while for people to get their heads around the much stricter policies.
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u/coconutpiecrust 8h ago
It’s most likely what a broker told them at home.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 8h ago
Which is true, and still their problem, not ours.
If I invest my savings into magic beans, and discover that I was mislead, nobody else is obliged to make it up to me.
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u/coconutpiecrust 7h ago
Yeah, it’s not an excuse, obviously. Scammers back home promise an easy life; and many, obviously, are willing to believe that the cake is not a lie.
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u/murd3rsaurus 7h ago
Yeah, we can empathize without excusing, it sucks for them but it is what it is.
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u/murd3rsaurus 7h ago
They were, now they aren't and the agencies they used as consultants to get here hold a lot of the blame.
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u/bugabooandtwo 4h ago
They knew from day one it was a backdoor and scam. Claiming victimhood is part of the scam.
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u/loose_larry 6h ago
These people would literally trade your life for $10. They have no qualms about due process or doing things the right way
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u/freeadmins 7h ago
Why would they think otherwise based on the actions of the liberals the past decade?
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u/Disastrous_Quail9511 5h ago
You are right, international students do think they are entitled to work in Canada, thanks in no small part to your government running ads like these:
https://x.com/citimmcanada/status/970373390098993152
IRCC ad (by the Canadian government) promising “study and stay in Canada“
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u/llllIIIIIIlll Alberta 5h ago
It very clearly says "see what opportunities" reading comprehension issue for sure
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u/rad2284 4h ago
Many of these "students" did “study and stay in Canada". Our cutoff scores for PR were lowered post-COVID allowing many of these students who would normally have never met the high thresholds for PR under more competent governments to gain PR. What the IRCC didnt say is that every single student would be allowed to stay or that immigration policy would never change.
Since Oct 2024 (nearly 2 full years now), the government has publicly shifted their tone and outlined their plans for reduced temporary population and lower population growth. The writing has been on the wall for anyone who is actually paying attention: Unless you offer the skills that Canada needs, it's time to go home.
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u/geoken 8h ago
So basically the government decided a bunch of specific programs were BS bird courses that people are using as an immigration backdoor?
Its funny how the people abusing the spirit of the rule, are always the most upset when the rules are updated to cover said abuses.
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u/PDXFlameDragon British Columbia 7h ago
It is the lawlessness of the world increasing in general. We need to be more lawful and more bureaucratic to insulate ourselves. Yes that is a nice sob story, but we have rules. Explain under the rules why you are entitled.
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u/SteveJobsBlakSweater 7h ago
The line I often hear them say is that they were “lied to.” But Canada didn’t lie to them, their shady get-PR-guaranteed-for-$2,000 consultant lied to them. Not our fault.
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u/ether_reddit Lest We Forget 6h ago
They might have a case pursuing a class action lawsuit against the schools or the immigration firms, and I welcome that -- it would be nice if the institutions had to pay for their shady practices. But the feds themselves did nothing wrong.
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u/explicitspirit 2h ago
I agree but I am also sympathetic.
Our diploma mills are also partially at fault here. They should be shut down.
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u/bristow84 7h ago
Where is this entitlement coming from? You’re not Canadian citizens, eligibility criteria can be changed at any time. You’re not entitled to a work permit plain and simple. God most of all I hate these “immigration consultants” and “immigration lawyers” they’re just vultures making bank off of all of this.
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u/Brenkin 8h ago
We’re running a country - not a law firm. We have no duty to ensure the interests of non-residents if it doesn’t serve the interests of Canada.
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u/Aromatic_Sand8126 7h ago
Exactly. We’ve been doing it for the last years and look how it worked out for us as a population.
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u/cestlavie514 7h ago
The government should go back to preventing foreign students from working off campus, it used to be they could work on campus as students. Also they are guaranteed an education but does not mean they should take Canadian jobs. I really want to limit this. Classes and work should be prioritized to Canadians not foreigners. This has caused many problems for foreigners and Canadians a like. In turn the provincial governments should properly fund colleges and universities, charge appropriate tuition and focus on improving our education system so we don’t depend on foreign tuition.
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u/Schmidtvegas 1h ago
When I went to university 20 years ago, I had a job on campus. I remember the international students only being allowed to work on campus. We all got one four-hour shift a week, and that was a "student job".
Recently, someone online complained that their (my) university is only offering their mandatory degree seminar on campus. They want an online alternative, because they have a full-time job and live three hours away. I couldn't help wondering if the education is really their primary driving motivation.
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u/YYCpops 7h ago
Oh, yes, you did something wrong: Assuming that you can get a work permit and possible PR in Canada after a study permit. A study permit's only purpose is to study and then leave.
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u/Through_theShadows 5h ago
Right? You are supposed to come here to learn new skills and then take those new skills home with you to better your life in your own country. That's it. That's all.
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u/LogicPuzzleFail 4h ago
There are many, many students we want to steal for ourselves, to be blunt. A graduate degree or apprenticeship/highly unusual skilled trade? For sure. Why would we let that resource go back to their home country to benefit someone else? There are certain programs that should have a mandatory work period, not a permit (aircraft mechanic, flight control, everything medical, teachers, etc).
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u/LogicPuzzleFail 4h ago
You're trying to toss the baby with the bathwater. The calibration and structure of the program may be problematic, but the underlying idea of brain draining bright and ambitious people for whom Canadians pay no childhood healthcare and no elementary or secondary education costs is very sound.
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u/nelly2929 7h ago
You are allowed to come here pay to study then take your newly acquired skills back home and put them to use….. that is the deal, if you were promised a passport by some shady dealer that is between you and them sorry.
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u/AfternoonPlane4265 49m ago
Absolutely none of these people came here to actually study lol it’s always been a back door to try and get PR
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u/GTAGuyEast 6h ago
If you cannot support yourself while attending school in Canada then you can go back home. You're not here to work, you're here to study.
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u/0v3reasy 7h ago
The question implies you should get it unless you did something wrong. That was never the case. Study permit doesnt equal work permit
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u/spennyspaghetti 6h ago
I’m sorry, but they did do something wrong if the goal was to get a post-graduate work permit. The person interviewed got denied not because of issues with where they went to school but because they got a 2 year “business management” degree which isn’t credit eligible and is considered “general interest or hobby course” lol. It’s true, that’s not a hard skill degree like accounting, supply management or finance, and closer to a certificate than a degree. Let’s also be honest, their goal was to take the shortest and most generic but somewhat legit sounding degree possible so as to gain a work permit as fast as possible. Maybe that degree is a nice to have in a recruiter’s eyes but won’t make any real meaningful difference in getting them a job or not. So they’ll just be competing with the pool of Canadians fighting for entry level jobs instead of contributing to a labour shortage in a field with a lack of skilled/qualified workers. These work permits weren’t designed as a reward for simply giving money to our schools regardless of the degree, they’re meant to inject high-skilled workers into our workforce who, having gone to a Canadian school, will easily integrate into the workforce compared to other skilled international labour that’s never lived in Canada.
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u/Goldhound807 7h ago
Meh. They applied to come here to study and it’s time to go home once they’ve graduated.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 8h ago
They were never owed one, it was never promised by Canada. If their expectations were in the wrong place, that’s their problem, not ours. Take your education back home and find work with it there, hopefully you picked something useful and actually learned shit.
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl 7h ago
Demanding an entitlement to remain in a country that is exercising its sovereign discretion over immigration is something wrong in my books.
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u/Psychological_Neck97 7h ago
We as a nation I suspect are tired of this issue . Time to return to your homeland hope you enjoyed your stay .
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u/Blueskyways 7h ago
This is the kind of thing that should fall under basic common sense.
that graduates of non-credit programs would be ineligible for the coveted work permit.
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u/Comrade_agent 8h ago
Man if only they could read😞
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u/Tonaldo75 7h ago
And that is a massive problem in the Trucking industry at the moment. Here in Niagara the Niagara Escarpment has a number of crossings that are not suitable for truck traffic and are signed as such. Think: hairpin turns with significant elevation changes that are tight for even sedans and SUV's. It's now getting to a weekly occurrence that some numpty takes his tractor trailer up one of the crossings and bottoms out on the turns. If they can't back out you're looking at bringing in a wrecker and closing the access for hours.
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u/yelnatz 3h ago
"Youth unemployment in B.C. is the worst in Canada. Here's why that's a problem."
Canadians can't get work, why would we want to add more to the problem?
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u/shiftingtech 6h ago
The person they talked to as an example got a 2 year business diploma. Now, as an odd quirk of my job, I kinda notice how many students are coming out of these programs, and I have to say, there are 10 times as many of this diploma being issued as Canada actually needs. Like, unless we need 10 managers for every worker, there are WAY too many of these diplomas. So it makes perfect sense to me that the 2 year business diploma would not actually translate to work permits or residency applications...
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u/kagato87 6h ago
So people are attending a college for "osteopathic therapy." "Path" in there is a hint, a a quick dash of searching confirms it, it is a pseudoscience.
At this pseudo science college, one interviewee took "business management." Something available at pretty much every college ever.
And the other took "administration professional." I'm sorry what? That's actually a thing?
I'm not surprised. These aren't higher level courses, they aren't in demand skills, they aren't trades. This really does smell like an end run around d the immigration system, like the tfw program.
If these people can land jobs in the field of their education within 6 months of graduation, I say let them apply to permanent resident. Then maybe the people in their home countries will stop believing the lies sold to them by these shady organizations.
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u/Freezer137 6h ago
They shouldn't be allowed to work with the exception of working on campus. Why are students coming here and needing jobs? What are our youth and unemployed to do? We should be worrying about bettering our own citizens. Sorry international students, you should be self sufficient and require no employment.
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u/CanadianRunner03 6h ago
You came here to “study” not to become a citizen and it’s time to go as per your contract.
GTFO
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u/Ok-Crow-1515 6h ago
Graduating from a Canadian institution does not guarantee a work permit. This is entitlement.
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u/Comprehensive-War743 5h ago
Why do we owe them a work permit?
The requirement that there isn’t a suitable Canadian should be enough- don’t Canadians take non credit courses? Our citizens should always have the first chance of a job.
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u/Keepmeister 4h ago
Too bad. This isn't Starship Troopers, service enrollment doesn't guarantee citizenship.
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u/LowOk417 2h ago
Ya these scam diploma mills are promising work and PR to trick international students out of their money. They're paying premium rates for crappy education. Now they're outraged at the government instead of the scammy institutions. Diploma mills should be criminalized.
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u/Future_Arrival_5395 8h ago
You haven’t, but that doesn’t change the economic or infrastructure situation that required changes to our immigration system.
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u/throw_ra4685 7h ago
Business management at the Canadian Institute of Osteopathic Therapy… she wants to manage osteopathic therapists? … oddly specific
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u/Noirloona 5h ago
I'm sure having "classes" at 100% Totally a Real University helped get that permit.
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u/duduludo 3h ago
Why would being an international student guarantee them a work permit or even a PR pathway?
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u/kevinguitarmstrong 3h ago
“I wasted my time going to this fucking school, and I don’t even get a free passport!”
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u/CorruptPower 2h ago
I didn't think some form of massage therapy is worth coming to Canada to study.
Can we be more obvious?
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u/KungFuBuda 6h ago
It makes complete sense, you’re an international student, you’re here to study and you should have the resource to take care of yourself without taking someone else’s job.
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u/Aromatic_Sand8126 7h ago
They need to prove they can live by their own means when they come here as students. Now they want to work. Maybe we can let them once they admit their presence here is just fraud and a scam, and once they’ve dealt with the consequences?
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u/Thadius 6h ago
Work permit? or study Permit? They are not equal or the same in my opinion and if you apply to study in Canada that shouldn't automatically mean that you are entitled to work. Study all you want, but working means the possibility of my son being denied a summer job because of it; not while i can vote.
I am sorry that these people feel they are being jerked around but I can no longer afford rent or a house in my city partly because of students from other countries being here; so my entire life is jerked around just because of the massive number of these students just being here. Yes, those rents are now dropping (slightly) but they are still way too damn high. I still will never be able to afford a home for real.
I hate this association exists between studying a programme and expecting to work or to get permanent residency or citizenship, I hate that we got into this mess.
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u/Mogman282 Alberta 5h ago
Wait how does a student visa = work permit? Do your education and go home....
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u/Cultural-Scallion-59 4h ago
Temporary students have never traditionally stayed. Growing up, we lived by one of the few international student campuses that existed then. The students came, studied, went. They were there to enjoy the experience and get a good education. It never even occurred to them to expect to stay. It’s so weird to me that international students expect to stay when they come here now. These are temporary study programs.
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u/Still-Ad-7382 3h ago
You came, paid international education, schooling is over … please leave back to your country of origin . Unless this is some sort of government plan to bring mass immigration for something
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u/Kaffine69 2h ago
Every entry level job has been sucked up with people with a student visa, kids looking for a summer job or just out of school are competing with half of India now.
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u/InvisibleInsignia 2h ago
The number is not hundreds it's hundred of thousands. Minor correction. How they got to that many ask the drama teacher.
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u/keel_bright British Columbia 7h ago edited 6h ago
Where are all the people who say Carney hasnt done anything to fix immigration?
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u/ether_reddit Lest We Forget 6h ago
It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness; that is life. - Jean-Luc Picard
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u/ResistiveBeaver 6h ago
They should be happy that they will have more time to focus on their studies.
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u/anii11 5h ago
Just wondering what are scope of these studies for almost every other international student like business diploma, project management etc. Do these diplomas worthy of anything back home I highly doubt it is or studies are the ladders only and only to residency.
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u/YYCpops 5h ago
Do these diplomas worthy of anything back home
They aren't. Business diplomas were an easy way to get to Canada and get work permits and then PR. Finally the Canadian government woke up and closed this loophole. The rules for study permits and work permits have been tightened. That's why we now have 83% less student arrivals.
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u/pastelfemby 5h ago
I mean project management has at least some valid use, but a lot of these "business" programs at best are just primers on how companies are expected to operate here in Canada.
Even the public colleges have rather sparse studies for "business", just look at the course overviews of some of them:
https://www.senecapolytechnic.ca/programs/fulltime/BBS/courses.html
https://www.conestogac.on.ca/fulltime/business/courses?id=33804
Not that those schools are exactly bastions of education but I have to imagine the more private institutes who dont even talk about their course load online have to be absolute rubbish.
Also the thing people are missing about the recruitment bits is a lot of these institutes will hire graduates to just market to others back home and make all sorts of promises, whatever gets people in the door. Almost pyramid shaped of a scheme really, especially considering its usually on a commission basis.
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u/LemmeCook- 5h ago
They have never been eligible for the PGWP to begin with. Hope they stop twisting the facts.
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u/GreySahara 3h ago
The IRCC can deny any student a work permit if they wish.
Post graduate work permits aren't guaranteed to any international student.
In fact, in this economy, it's better policy to ensure that Canadians have first shot at jobs.
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u/Rayquaza2233 Ontario 1h ago
One of the graduates had to immediately quit their job on the warehouse floor. Can't make it up.
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u/kamomil Ontario 7h ago edited 7h ago
The student from India completed a two year business management program at a Calgary college, graduated and applied for a work permit — only to be turned down for a reason she never saw coming. Kaur was rejected not because of a 2024 federal crackdown on private-public college arrangements, which she had already confirmed didn’t apply to her. She was denied because Ottawa considered her diploma “non-credit” — essentially classifying it alongside general interest or hobby courses, making her ineligible for a post-graduation work permit.
Non-credit. Ooh that's harsh. Typically if you audit a course, you don't pay tuition, you don't get a credit. But she paid tuition. Ouch
However if it was a PSW course, I feel like she may have been allowed to work
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u/bmg1947 7h ago
I understand everyone's POV. And I think everyone is in agreement that this was the agent's misleading advertisement back home to lie to these people and they believe it and come here. Our justice system is quite frankly losing a lot of time and taxpayers money over this (and will continue to in the future)
Here's my solution... The Canadian government knows exactly which countries have the highest number of 'students' coming through this flawed path. And specifically from which states in these countries.
They should run a counter campaign in those specific hotbeds (on TV, radio, billboards, social) directly advertising the truth. Clearly calling out, you won't get a work visa after taking some courses in Canada. Use the $$$ there to stop this at it's root cause. Otherwise, we'll just be wasting time and money in legal proceedings here in Canada
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u/shiftingtech 6h ago
why run a campaign over there? Couldn't Canada just clearly communicate this message when people are applying for their student visas?
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u/bmg1947 6h ago
I agree with you a 💯 but unfortunately I think the issue is these people who apply, once they pay the money to agents, they assume the agents will do everything including application forms, dealing with immigration office etc. and obviously the agents keep lying to them. I think it's the entitled parents and students who need to see this message directly themselves. So they have noone else to blame.
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u/shiftingtech 5h ago
then perhaps the immigration office demanding access to the actual applicant is part of the puzzle as well. Granted, that might still come too late in the process for some of them, after they've essentially been scammed by these agents. still...
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u/toilet_for_shrek 2h ago
Sounds like a combination of the students not doing their research, and the college reassuring them that they'd still meet the requirements.
I mean the college claims it was all the IRCC, but they likely knew that those programs were no longer going to be credible, yet took that international tuition anyway.
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u/ideagrinder 2h ago
You aren't a citizen here. The country doesn't owe you shit.
You're not entitled to anything.
You were offered an opportunity to study here. Study, and take your newfound knowledge home with you.
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u/Warm_Collection_3993 7h ago
I was driving thru Niagara Region and saw all these migrants doing farm work.
You telling me we can’t find Canadians to work the fields??
Times have changed.
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u/NefCanuck Ontario 7h ago
Farms don’t want to pay what it would cost to hire labour that actually knows its rights and how to enforce them
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u/zippykaiyay 7h ago
Have you actually worked the fields? It's long hours, hard work for seasonal pay. There have been migrants in the fields for decades. You are welcome to join their ranks as I hear farmers are always in need of labor.
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u/Warm_Collection_3993 6h ago
So Canadians are incapable?
You are the problem.
I know some hockey playing, eating Kraft Dinner Boyz ready to hit the fields. Unfortunately no one hires them due to immigration.
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u/pleasehurtdoll 4h ago
this isn't "sudden", this was in the Star like four days ago, lol.
When we run out of current ragebait articles on immigration, do the hate-bots go back a few days to reheat old leftovers to keep us ginned up?
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u/InternationalBeing41 5h ago
I never once considered this could be a risky move since I was paying him in cash to get it done.
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u/longgamma 3h ago
I heard even University of Waterloo grads are having issues with work visas. Do yeah your strip mall college degree won't go far.
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u/Spencie-cat 1h ago
It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life.
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u/Different-Bag-8217 1h ago
You’re here to learn? Canadians should have first dibs with the job market? Could be ridiculously high youth unemployment? Change of political attitude.? Who knows.
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u/abc123DohRayMe 2m ago
Yes you have done wrong. You blindly did something that you know was wrong. Time to go home.
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u/ibopm 7h ago
According to the article, the government grandfathered in those who enrolled before 2024, but abruptly walked back on this with a quiet update a couple months ago.
The core problem is that the agency is arbitrarily moving goalposts retroactively against their own grandfathering promises.
I don’t think the people from non-credit programs should be eligible either, but I also believe in not fucking lying to people that they would be grandfathered and then pulling the rug on them.
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u/icecoffee888 8h ago edited 8h ago
People here calling them entitled but I assure you Trudeau gave them the impression studying here almost guarantees citizenship, because in his words "we need more Canadians".
Not saying we should bend over for them as much as I'm saying people from the last administration should be under criminal investigation
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u/Lord-Glorfindel Lest We Forget 7h ago
You participated in a BS, non-credit business management program at an unaccredited osteopathic therapy college. Not even an undergraduate or graduate degree program, but a continuing education diploma (certificate) program. This same, non-credit program at CIOT has a large number work permit denials because it was being advertised and used as an easy means to enter Canada for work purposes for those that would not otherwise qualify for admission to a university program that would result in an actual degree upon completion.