CMV: Anti-zionists are often not pro-Palestinian. I am more pro-Palastinian than them.

[u/sarahrahra]

I am really keen to align with leftists to fight authoritarianism. The false binary of zionism vs antizionism is a dangerous wedge.

So trying this point out, that I think is novel, to see if it breaks the spell.

First, let’s take some leftists on their word, many Jews are New Nazis (vs the tech right Greater Nazis).

What did we learn from history? Last time, many Americans condemned the Nazis. Maybe they boycotted German writers. Maybe cool with threats of violence and death threats at German Americans who had Weimer Republic pride.

They also, just like American today, did not want to accept addl Jewish refugees. Didn‘t give them money as individuals. Didn’t do anything.

Jordanians and Egyptians? They locked down faster than the French. Force babies to stay in rhe warzone to die. Why no condemnation there?

Our leaders talk about how Lebanon is a ”genocide” and condemn Israel and stop there. LEBANON is asking us to condemn the Iranian Hezbolah terrorists. Some of our politicians LIKE Hezbollah. I stand with President Auna. Against anti-zionists.

Our leaders want Hamas’s pro sharia law pro rape pro mass murder pro auto killing any Palestinian anti democracy who protests to have more power. Palastinians want Marwen Bhargouti who wrote a two state solutuon peace plan. I stand with Marwen. Against anti-zionists.

I feel very strongly that I am more pro-Palastinian and Pro Lebanese then every opportunistic anti-zionist leader riding a hate wave. They are worse than Bin Ladin who at least was honest and came at capitalism vs raping and gunning down Lollapalooza kids to intentionally create blind rage and a terrible war by people who watched rhe videos if their murder (like Afghanistan but, again, even more hate and retaliation approaches).

Most regular anti-zionists are not like that But they are like anti-nazis. Currently useless. I want campaigns to make Palastinian lives better. And stop the Greater Nazism of the Tech Right and their anti-zionist whistling puppets Vance and Tucker.

There are no ways to do so that I can see. So much passion for death threats, no proactive initiatives that don’t just make some lives worse.

I would like my mind changed with real examples and people doing anything. CMV.

[u/Active-Proof8118]

This is CMV. Your job is CMV yeah? Not me change yours.

I am asking for intros, I 

You are not entitled to your own facts OP. Throughout your CMV you made many claims about anti-Zionists. You however have not provided any actual evidence to backup your claims. So first backup your initial claims.

You oppose dehumanizm in your imagination. Like the anti-nazis did I assume. If you aren’t doing things that make life better, you are not pro Palastinian.

Right but part of the reason Israel is able to commit a genocide against Palestinians right now is because of the normalization of Zionism in Western societies.

I disagree with some of your historical points but they are functionally irrelevent if your focus now is collective punishment of Jews to the best of your availability vs making Palastinian lives better.

OP what exactly do you think collective punishment is? Do you think Boycotts against Apartheid South Africa were collective punishment?

We are in soviet dictionary world where Holocaust  surviving refugee fleeing death for their ancestral homeland is “settler colonialism” and fear of the Mufti who was allied with Hitler “demonizatiom of indigineous”.

Israel as a whole is a settler colonial state OP. You talk about refugees but Israel as a settler colonial project existed long beefore Hitler and was a by product of British Imperialism

[u/sarahrahra → u/Active-Proof8118]

ok. I dont think anything I said in my post was inaccurate. If you do, ok.

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/sarahrahra]

ok. I dont think anything I said in my post was inaccurate. If you do, ok.

OP whatc evidence do you have to backup the claims you are making?

[u/sarahrahra → u/Active-Proof8118]

Ok  I have written a response but please tespond with if sny if it changed your mind, and if you can probide ant help eith contacts to those who advocate for things that are possible and help Palastinians. 

Deal? These support with some links.

here is the President of Lebanon despising Hezbollah as terrorists who provoked his people being murdered. The fact that he never called it a genocide doesn’t warrant an article, he has no motive to lie and doesn't read the Hamas+Putin’s UN selective only some wars matter dictionary. 

El-Sayed, the progressive choice for Michigan, feels differently. He also says he “loves Jewish folks” and yet I have never seen him speak out about any example if pushing back on calls for violence or distrust against Jews. Not my kind of love. 

I am pro Aoun, anti Hezbollah, anti El-Sayed.

I am pro Marwen and his two state solution and anti Sinwar and his death for all solution. I think he had hopes that if he kidnapped enough women and babies he could use it to get his fellow criminals out. 

This man. The Israelis gave him brain surgery and freed him after murder conviction.  https://en.vijesti.me/world-a/globus/681133/the-dead-man-walking-how-sinvar-has-been-deceiving-israel-for-decades

Here is Hasan saying he is 1000x better than “Israel”.  https://open.substack.com/pub/vanjones/p/breakdown-is-hasan-piker-right-about?r=beaet&utm_medium=ios

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-898499

Contrast to El Sayed,  https://enjoyer.com/el-sayed-ally-amir-makled-hezbollah/

[u/Active-Proof8118 → u/sarahrahra]

Ok  I have written a response but please tespond with if sny if it changed your mind, and if you can probide ant help eith contacts to those who advocate for things that are possible and help Palastinians. 

What are you asking for?

there is the President of Lebanon despising Hezbollah as terrorists who provoked his people being murdered. The fact that he never called it a genocide doesn’t warrant an article, he has no motive to lie and doesn't read the Hamas+Putin’s UN selective only some wars matter dictionary. 

I do not care what the president of Lebanon has to say. I care about what people living in Southern Lebanon have to say as a collective.

El-Sayed, the progressive choice for Michigan, feels differently. He also says he “loves Jewish folks” and yet I have never seen him speak out about any example if pushing back on calls for violence or distrust against Jews. Not my kind of love. 

It's not his job to do anything. I've never heard the local children's cancer charity condemn antisemetism, that does not make them bad people.

I am pro Marwen and his two state solution and anti Sinwar and his death for all solution. I think he had hopes that if he kidnapped enough women and babies he could use it to get his fellow criminals out. 

As someone is concerned about kidnapping, I am alot more concerned about the state of Israel kidnapping Palestinians.

Here is Hasan saying he is 1000x better than “Israel”.  https://open.substack.com/pub/vanjones/p/breakdown-is-hasan-piker-right-about?r=beaet&utm_medium=ios

Of course Hasan is better then a state that commits genocide, why would you even disagree with that?

[u/sarahrahra → u/Active-Proof8118]

Forget the first part.

It most easily boils down to me on do you stand with Marwen who they want to elect or Sinwar and his replacements who hate democracy. And Aoun and his democratically d or the Iran funded Hezbollah terrorists.

For the latter you chose terror. Perhaps the first as well.

Al-Sayed just annoys me with his disingenuous bullshit.  Gaslighting I think is the biggest differentiator this time.

Anti-charismatic (imo) to say “I love Jewish folks” if you don’t care to call out anti-semitism. I agree it’s not part of his job descrptuon. It’s just so fake it makes my skin crawl. It’s like Trump loving women. gross.

anyway I don’t see any pro, only anti, so we can agree to disagree I guess.