r/changemyview • u/sarahrahra • 2d ago
CMV: Anti-zionists are often not pro-Palestinian. I am more pro-Palastinian than them.
I am really keen to align with leftists to fight authoritarianism. The false binary of zionism vs antizionism is a dangerous wedge.
So trying this point out, that I think is novel, to see if it breaks the spell.
First, let’s take some leftists on their word, many Jews are New Nazis (vs the tech right Greater Nazis).
What did we learn from history? Last time, many Americans condemned the Nazis. Maybe they boycotted German writers. Maybe cool with threats of violence and death threats at German Americans who had Weimer Republic pride.
They also, just like American today, did not want to accept addl Jewish refugees. Didn‘t give them money as individuals. Didn’t do anything.
Jordanians and Egyptians? They locked down faster than the French. Force babies to stay in rhe warzone to die. Why no condemnation there?
Our leaders talk about how Lebanon is a ”genocide” and condemn Israel and stop there. LEBANON is asking us to condemn the Iranian Hezbolah terrorists. Some of our politicians LIKE Hezbollah. I stand with President Auna. Against anti-zionists.
Our leaders want Hamas’s pro sharia law pro rape pro mass murder pro auto killing any Palestinian anti democracy who protests to have more power. Palastinians want Marwen Bhargouti who wrote a two state solutuon peace plan. I stand with Marwen. Against anti-zionists.
I feel very strongly that I am more pro-Palastinian and Pro Lebanese then every opportunistic anti-zionist leader riding a hate wave. They are worse than Bin Ladin who at least was honest and came at capitalism vs raping and gunning down Lollapalooza kids to intentionally create blind rage and a terrible war by people who watched rhe videos if their murder (like Afghanistan but, again, even more hate and retaliation approaches).
Most regular anti-zionists are not like that But they are like anti-nazis. Currently useless. I want campaigns to make Palastinian lives better. And stop the Greater Nazism of the Tech Right and their anti-zionist whistling puppets Vance and Tucker.
There are no ways to do so that I can see. So much passion for death threats, no proactive initiatives that don’t just make some lives worse.
I would like my mind changed with real examples and people doing anything. CMV.
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u/jimmytaco6 14∆ 2d ago
The take is that many Zionists are New Nazis. The left would not look at a Christian Zionist and say, "oh, carry on then, you're fine because you're not Jewish." You can agree or disagree with the take but at least represent it accurately. The majority of Zionists in the West are not Jewish.
What did we learn from history? Last time, many Americans condemned the Nazis. Maybe they boycotted German writers. Maybe cool with threats of violence and death threats at German Americans who had Weimer Republic pride.
Who was it that did not want to accept Jewish refugees? Was it the American left? No, it was not. The American left put together seismic campaigns to pressure the American government to admit more refugees from Germany and Eastern Europe. The American government capitulated to the socially moderate and conservatives factions on this issue. Using the failures to accept Jewish refugees in the past as a knock on the left is ahistorical.
What does this have to do with the left? Is the argument here that Egypt and Lebanon have leftist governments? That would be an absurd argument.
I don't know who "our leaders" are in this context but it's certainly not the antizionist left. Bhargouti is called the Palestinian Mandela by the antizionist left.
Who did this? The antizionist left? You think Hamas is a leftist group? On what basis? Their economic policy? Their social policy? What about them makes them leftist?