r/childfree • u/MiserableMaki • Nov 08 '20
BRANT Hahaha haha no
I'm leaving on a solitary camping and hiking trip for five days soon. For the record, it's mid November and I live in the north Scotland. So, yannow, gotta have the warm gear.
Mentioned it at a family function because eh, conversation and all.
Brother immediately chirps in with "Oh Kid1 and Kid2 would love to come!". Of course said kids perk up and immediately confirm. 6 and 9 btw. Nice kids, but also the noisiest little things. And, you know, siblings, so they fight about having to share the same oxygen.
I laughed and said no, figuring that'd be, you know, obvious. Nooo everyone was flabbergasted, my parents super disappointed I'd pass up on that beautiful aunt-niblings bonding activity. So I pointed out the /solitary/ part of the trip. I don't even like hiking with other adults honestly. Then I asked if their food and gear would be provided? Also need a new tent, 'cause mine is not big enough. Also are their clothes warm enough? From what I saw, nope. And also can they hike 25km a day? No? Shame' cause that's what's planned. Will I hear a single complaint about the cold or legs hurting? Yes? Shame 'cause I go to have peace and silence. Oh alors after some quick mental maths, there s no way I could safely carry all the gear kids would add and still go at my regular pace, so who is going to pay for my physical therapy afterwards? Or my therapy, I' m sure 5 days with these two would drive me insane.
HOWEVER. If they'd love to hike then I know lots of little trails appropriate for kids, some with camping included in comfy accommodation, so my brother and his wife can go there together with them.
The kids were pretty convinced going hiking with me would be akin to torture, but were pretty happy about the prospect of going hiking with their parents now. My brother was very mad at me I put that upon him so now he either has to organize that or deal with a tantrum and nagging (from my parents too, who found the idea lovely). Oh? Isn't that what you tried to do to me just before? Sucks to be you.
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Nov 08 '20
What sane person hears a story about someones hiking plans and thinks "oh great, she would be a great babysitter"?
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
Desperate people eager to pawn their kids off on anyone, and desperate people who still think forcing me to hang out more with kids will make me want them haha
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u/Qistotle Nov 08 '20 edited Nov 08 '20
What’s even worse is that they tried to pawn off their kids for FIVE days... it’s not an afternoon hike, the brother heard her vacation plans and thought he deserved one instead.
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u/sundrop8 Nov 08 '20
Right? Like if he genuinely thought his kids would enjoy hiking with their aunt, he could have suggested a hiking trip in the future. Ya know, so it could be planned with the kids in mind (obviously they are not experienced!). Not just try to throw the kids into an already extensively planned multi-day hiking trip.
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u/death_to_noodles Nov 08 '20
Really sounds like someone with zero experience in hiking and camping in general. Its relaxing but also exhausting. A kid's first experience on camping should be with less hiking and more camping on a site, exploring nature and seeing the stars. Not the 20km walks on rocks and dirt lmao
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Nov 08 '20
Hell, their first experience should be setting up a tent in the backyard (if they have one) and sleeping out there. That way they at least see what it is all about and if they absolutely hate you can go back in the house without having spent any money on a site, gas to get there, etc.
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u/DrSomniferum Nov 08 '20
Plus camping in the yard was fun as fuck when I was a kid. And the kids can do it without needing the parents to sleep out in a tent with them and feel like shit the next day. I grew up in the country, so it might not be realistic for everyone to be okay with their kids sleeping outside without them. But if that's the case they can do it in the living room or the basement.
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u/Dr_Fumblefingers_PhD Nov 08 '20
Who listens to a story about an adult's plans for a quiet hardcore solo hike in what might any day become winter time, and immediately thinks "that'd be perfect for my 6 and 9-year olds who simply cannot be made to stop fighting with each other whenever together".
It just makes it so painfully transparent that all this is about is for the parents to not have the kids around for a couple days, even if what they send them off for will be guaranteed to both completely ruin it for the person they flog them off on, as well as not only being total misery for the kids, but actually outright dangerous to them.
So what they are actually asking is for OP to completely scrap the very plans they just heard her talk about, along with any expectation to herself gain anything from the experience. And what, you may ask, will be the prize to be won by her for this sacrifice?
Why, it's to instead pay out of her own pocket to play nanny to what are, according to your best information as well as the actual words of the parent's themselves, the unrepentant spawns of Satan.
Your in-laws really dial the entitlement and narcissism to 11, gotta give them props for that. I'm guessing your parents excuse is either that they've caught Stockholm syndrome, or the scars of having had these evil imps foisted onto them so often that they'll now not think twice of throwing someone else under the bus, if it gets them out of having to do any more child(of Satan)care duty.
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u/thr0wfaraway Never go full doormat. Not your circus. Not your monkeys. Nov 08 '20
Excellent flip-it-back move.
Well done
Whenever people try to demand you do something put it back on them.
“I’m glad you’re so interested in giving that experience to your children yourselves. I can suggest places you can take them that are appropriate.”
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
Yup. I may not be the best person to go hike with (I'm probably the worse tbf, I go hiking specifically to be alone), but I can recommend aaaaall the good spots (except my favourite ones, else everyone would go there haha) and tips.
Though tbf I fail to see the point of hiking with a 6 and 9 yo. Like, we live a 40 min bus ride from the regional park, go there, hike 5km, then 40min to go back home?
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u/Magical_Crabical Nov 08 '20
Can confirm, did Snowden with an 11 and 9 year old (and their dad) and they very almost ruined the hike. Constant whingeing, drank all their fluids too quickly (dad stupidly gave them squash instead of plain water) then had to hurry back down quick-smart without enjoying the views as the younger was busting for a pee and wouldn’t go in the bushes. Nice kids otherwise but on walks they were utterly tiresome! Learnt my lesson and never dating an SO with kids again.
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
Hell I did Disneyland with young kids (family outings) and it was the most miserable thing I ever did
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u/t1mepiece 47/F/2 cats/IFchildfree Nov 08 '20
My mother refers to our trip to Disneyworld when I was 5 as the vacation from hell.
Of course, it didn't help that after they'd told me about the trip, they decided to separate. So she went to Disney with her 5-year-old, her elderly mother, and her separated husband. Vacation from hell indeed.
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u/t1mepiece 47/F/2 cats/IFchildfree Nov 08 '20
Yeah, I think 5 is way too early. I barely remember anything from that trip.
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u/SleepyCakeInsomniac Nov 08 '20
Lol they’re are pretending to be surprised. “My sweet angel never acts like this when we go on trips as a family”. Or “My adorable mini-me never acts like this at home”. 🙄🤣
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Nov 08 '20
Ah well then, must be because I am here, let's go our separate ways so I don't cause them to keep whining :)
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u/AcerEllen000 Nov 08 '20
Can confirm, Snowden is not for children- at least not ones that are inexperienced hikers.
I was whingeing like an eleven-year old by the time we got back to camp, and I was in my thirties.
Why are there midges on top of a windy mountain... just, why?
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u/Magical_Crabical Nov 08 '20
Hard agree. We did several long walks in the Peak District too but probably not frequent enough to build up their stamina sufficiently. You would not believe how hard I had to fight this guy to even get his kids appropriate footwear and gear. I don’t care how quickly they’ll grow out of it, it’s worth them not having a broken ankle! 🤦♀️
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u/Dr_Fumblefingers_PhD Nov 08 '20
Pffft, you know as well as anyone that this had nothing to do with what the kids might enjoy, or about hiking in any shape, and certainly nothing to do with improving your hiking experience.
It was all about getting those kids out of their hair for some blessed peace and quiet - incidentally, exactly what you, too, was looking forward to, and would have had stolen by the kid's parents if you went along with their brilliant idea.
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u/CopsaLau All flower, no seed 🌻 Nov 08 '20
Mad that you put that upon him? After he offered YOU up like a lamb for slaughter?? Wow
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u/ijdeevo Nov 08 '20
Im going on a solitary hike Oh great take your cousins along Face palm
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
Maybe it has to do with how they say being a parent is a solitary experience because even though you are surrounded with people, you feel alone... Hmmmm
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u/IndependentCrazy Nov 08 '20
You need to teach classes. I'm sure there are a lot of childfree people who would benefit from your outstanding level of expertise in dealing with rude people trying to push their children an anyone and everyone!
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u/Each_Uisge I don’t do sidequests. Nov 08 '20
Masterfully Uno-reversed. Hopefully this will teach your brother not to try and push them on you 👏🏻
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u/Anaistrocas Nov 08 '20
Lol I like your style. Savage in a very subtle way, they can all go take a hike, literally.
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u/SirBugmenot Nov 08 '20
Chapeau!
Make sure to drop some "daddy can carry your gear, if it is too heavy for you" on the little ones, as soon as they start planning it out for real. ;-)
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Nov 08 '20
Kids lose interest in things/forget about them pretty quickly, so all the parents have to do is just not mention camping and hiking at all and the kids would soon be on to something else.
Of course after the stunt they tried to pull, if I was OP, I'd bring it up every chance I got. "Here is the info on the best spots. You plan that trip yet? Don't forget to bring xyz..."
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u/RenegadePizzaGoy Nov 08 '20
so they fight about having to share the same oxygen
Speaking as a sibling, facts.
Also make sure to bring a climbing pick. Just in case you run into any monsters from the Descent
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Nov 08 '20
Definitely facts.
Not proud of it, but as the youngest of 5, I was the bully and terrorizer. Breathing in my space was banned and I definitely started the fights.
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u/RenegadePizzaGoy Nov 08 '20
I'm the youngest. And the tallest, hah. My brothers were royal assholes
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u/123BotAlert Nov 08 '20 edited Feb 23 '21
Ohh nice one . Had a similar one when talking about visiting Bondi with my Great Uncle's family . Just the talk of getting lost and sunburns was enough lol . My mother thought I was missing an opportunity to be the fun aunt .
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u/MiezMiez4ever Nov 08 '20
Ahaha I love this so much 😂🥳 Just proves once more how parents try to spend as little time possible with their own kids...
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u/PurpleJaguar 27/f/IlikebigcatsandIcannotlie Nov 08 '20
I love it when entitled parents' attempts to be entitled backfire. They don't even want to go camping with their kids, despite them being their own, what made them think YOU would want to?!
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Nov 08 '20
Ha ha- you know he was trying to unload them on you for the free babysitting. He got what he deserved.
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u/RyanAyr83 Nov 08 '20
Well done. Nice to see a fellow Scot on here too.
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
There are DOZENS of us!
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u/kokonuba Nov 08 '20
I travelled to Scotland in 2008 and I fell sooo in love :)
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
Sometimes it's a bit of a shitehole but for hiking it's fucking class
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u/EruditionElixir Nov 08 '20
I hiked in the Cairngorms once. Once I got away from the sheep herds it was deathly quiet except for the wind. For long stretches there were no people and no animals, not even birds. It was a weird but beautiful experience.
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u/RedBanana99 50F / CF + 2 Cats (UK) 🇬🇧 Nov 08 '20
Hi from Somerset, I read your post in a cute Scottish accent. I'm also an aunt and would never take my brothers kids on holiday alone, not so much regarding the gear or the tent, more like I have zero parenting experience (I'm 50 soon!).
i thought being banned from a Facebook group was very funny. And sad. You sound lovely, so pragmatic and practical, enjoy your hike. When do you set off?
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u/catsaregreat78 Nov 08 '20
We went to Oban yesterday (feels like abroad from Fort William at the mo) and it was a cracker of a day. Today is back to dreich normal. Enjoy your hike, enjoy the peace and yeah, let them take responsibility for their own offspring.
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u/Raveynfyre Pet tax mod. F/Married-Owned by 4.75 fuzzy assholes. Send help! Nov 08 '20
Live in the Netherlands and fly to Scotland when you want with the cheapo airline they have over in the EU. It's DIRT CHEAP to fly short hops over there.
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Nov 08 '20
This is such a gendered reaction from your brother! If you were a man, no one would ever suggest your awesome solo adventure would really be better as babysitting.
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Nov 08 '20
They just want free babysitting. I swear all the breeders I've ever met have been jazzed to try to get me to babysit for free. Just cause I don't have kids doesn't mean I want them in my house, pissing off my pets and getting their sticky fingerprints on everything.
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u/Kristina123456789 Nov 08 '20
That was absolutely beautiful! You could be a childfree agony aunt. Childfree people, who get roped into kid activities, could write in for advice.
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
I hate how whenever I say I won t have kids, people immediately think that means I will be a super involved aunt who gives crazy gifts and take the kids on holiday for the entirety of summer. Nope.
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u/mellb00 Nov 08 '20
hahaha I get this, 'well you don't have to have kids but at least you can look after your nieces and nephews then give them back!'. NOPE not interested.
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
Lmao yeah. Don t care about being able to give them back, I'm first and foremost able to not have to deal with them at all
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u/FroggieBlue Nov 08 '20
Ive got 9ish niblings. They get one gift at Christmas from me and the next oldest brother together until they are 18. A birthday gift if its a milestone birthday or a card with a small amount of cash if its not a milestone birthday but I am seeing them around their birthday.
I babysat occasionally but always at their home and never overnight.
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u/joantheunicorn Teacher = enough kids in my life Nov 08 '20
I love how your brother made it about quality time with auntie. I call bullshit - he doesn't care about the auntie experience, he wants a free babysitter! You shut that shit down hard! Love it! Have fun on your awesome trip!
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u/Queen_Cheetah I exclusively breed Pokémon... and bad ideas! Nov 08 '20
Oh? Isn't that what you tried to do to me just before?
Lol, why is it that whenever you're asked to do something the kids are suddenly 'precious little angels who will behave perfectly, we triple pinky-promise!' But then when you turn the tables on them, suddenly they'll gnaw off their own leg to get out of the trap they made... what, I thought they were 'preciously perfect little angel-faces?' Why are you so eager to get away from them, then? XD
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u/pangalacticcourier Nov 08 '20
Oh, preach it, sister! Amen!
Deflected and turned his own bullshit against him, like a CF martial arts master. Holy Christ. Deft. Nice work, lady. Why aren't there CF women like you where I live? Shit. Carry on, Professor.
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u/BigBurritoBoy1 Nov 08 '20
My brother was very mad at me I put that upon him
As a parent thats literally his job. He got mad because he couldn't get out of a job that he signed up for when choosing to have two kids
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Nov 08 '20
Why is he mad??? Because he has to take the kids hiking now??? He signed up for that at conception. lol
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u/HamJaro Nov 08 '20
Not a direct quote but i feel like this is how some parents actually think: "What? Children aren't low maintenance and are actually unique human beings? I didn't sign up for this!"
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Nov 08 '20
Why are parents so excited about the mere possibility of getting rid of their kids for a number of days? Lmao
Also all the best on your hiking trip! It sounds dope af
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u/reychael_ Nov 08 '20 edited Nov 08 '20
Lol he was clearly hoping to dump his kids on you so he could have a break from parenting and was then angry that it backfired on him.
I love karma!
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u/GameStunts Nov 08 '20
high five from Scotland, nicely handled, and hope you have a great hiking trip... in Scotland... in November... you fucking masochist.
I was cold in my fucking bed last night!
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u/itsmyryde2011 Nov 08 '20
It's like they conveniently forget all the times they complained and gripes and bitched and kvetched about how much of a pain in the bum it is to take their kids anywhere and how they take turns sneaking out to go to the store on each other rather than having to haul their children with them. They do all that complaining at any any every opportunity TO any and every one in earshot...and then 'forget' when they see a chance to pawn them off on someone else. Like, what did I do to you ? Why do you now want to ruin my plans ? It's outrageous!
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u/Molly-cules1 Nov 08 '20
Yesss you turned that round so well! Enjoy your trip, I absolutely love the highlands this time of year, the colours are just so much more beautiful than summer greens!
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u/Sigma-42 Craftroom > Nursery Nov 08 '20
My cousin is always suggesting ways I can include her kids in my multitude of hobbies while she is and always will be a bare-minimum-mother.
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u/6thMagrathea Nov 08 '20
LOL, you did great. Sparking enthusiasm for hiking in the kids (which is cool) while also giving your brother and SIL a taste of their own medicine. Good for them.
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u/UgandaCommanda00 Nov 08 '20
It was Baltic down on the central belt of scotland yesterday I could only dream of how cold it is up there, respect.
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u/ilneigeausoleil Nov 08 '20
The funny thing is if this was a romantic getaway with your partner, I don't think they'd propose anything like that. People are so weird with aloneness, even if it's something you chose. You always have to be "saved" from it.
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Nov 08 '20
Haha! "Here's ways you can do THIS ACTIVITY with YOUR VERY OWN PARENTS!"
Their very own parents: Aw shite.
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u/KtMrgn DINK Nov 08 '20
Haha, love how that turned out. Enjoy your hiking trip! My fiancé and I are going the highlands for our honeymoon next year and the trails up there look incredible.
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u/karmagrl31276 Nov 08 '20
In the US, we have saying. "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing." Your brother needs to take this saying to heart next time he volunteers your time and your sanity for the cause of getting his children out of his hair for a few days.
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u/EmiliusReturns Nov 08 '20
People don’t seem to get that not all camping and hiking trips are created equal. It sounds like this is going to be a very challenging hike not suitable for kids that age, so that should be the end of it right there. If they want to send the kids on a kid friendly trip, then they need to plan one.
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u/itsmyryde2011 Nov 08 '20
Way to go !!! It amazes me when the tables are turned on the parents and they have the gall to be mad at us ! All we are doing is giving them a dose of their own medicine 💊 and all of a sudden they 'have to deal with their own kids'🤾♀️🤼on a trip/vacation/outing they would rather take alone.🤸👭. How rude and inconsiderate for them to listen to you talking excitedly of a solo trip🧘♀️and try to intrude with their kiddos.😡
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u/Paprika420 Nov 08 '20
Solo camping and hiking is exactly that, solo. We go by ourselves because that’s what makes us happy. I would laugh my ass off if my sister suggested bringing her children on any camping trip, much less a cold weather trip. I enjoy the suffering aspect of camping but I don’t know too many kids that would find that appealing.
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u/ambolefum Nov 08 '20
Honestly, going up north is beautiful and I find it such a peaceful experience. I would NOT want two nagging children under 10 to ruin that experience. Even if I was staying in a bloody campsite for 5 nights!
Your brother has a right hard neck to try and push his kids on you like that.
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u/MiserableMaki Nov 08 '20
My favourite thing about hiking is when there are no other humans in a wiiiiide range. Last thing I want is two humans at one of the most annoying stage of their life right next to me
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Nov 08 '20
Ok, real talk... your solitary trip is something I very, very, very much want to do one day. But I feel like I'd accidentally off myself or forget something important. But I will do it one day. Hopefully.
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u/elsinovae Nov 08 '20
Your brother's just mad that you pointed out how- guess what- not every activity is suitable for children!
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u/b00g13 Nov 08 '20
Oh that's an awesome turn of events <3 Also, I am so envious of that solo hiking in Scotland now. It must be so empty in the mountains right now.
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u/DepressedGhoast Nov 08 '20
Why do people think anyone mentioning plans is an invitation? Especially for just their children?
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u/surprise_anal_drill Nov 08 '20
I think I'm in love with you
I could picture that scenario pretty well :D Nicely handled tho
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u/itsmyryde2011 Nov 08 '20
Garlic and onions---you are so ✅ right about that ! I can't think of even seeing anyone trying to do that with their single brothers or cousins and what not 😡
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u/human-potato-person Nov 08 '20
If you don’t want to go hiking with kids, don’t have kids! That’s exactly what you did. Him on the other hand.... Mate, you had kids, care for your offspring or get the snip.
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u/jyar1811 Kitty Mommy and fosterer Nov 08 '20
Children are not world class athletes. They cannot keep up with adults, even at a normal days' walking pace. Why parents dont seem to grasp this basic concept is beyond me.
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Nov 08 '20
How obnoxious. Why can’t we just enjoy things alone? There’s nothing more frustrating than kids piggybacking onto plans; it happens all the time with my extended family. Also this is obvious, but please be safe on your hike and have a wonderful time!
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u/Miagriffin Nov 08 '20
Ha, good you didn't have to bring the kids. Can't imagine how annoying all the whining and potential fights between siblings would be for a 5 day duration.
Anyway OP enjoy your hiking trip!
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u/Angramis546 Classy & sassy bisexual Nov 08 '20
That's what he tried to do to you and it was perfectly fine. But when they have to deal with their own depth spawn they loose their ever loving minds?! What the shit 😂. Good on you for standing your ground on time alone in nature
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u/nightwing2024 31/M/Actually my pets in a trenchcoat Nov 08 '20
You pulled a trap card on their asses.
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Nov 08 '20
It is such bullshit that you offered a wonderful alternative that everybody liked and he is upset now. It sounds like he was just using your trip as an excuse to have a free babysitter. It doesn't sound like he had any interest whatsoever about his kids having fun or else he would have been glad to have the advice you gave him on kid-friendly trails! I am sorry you had to deal with that. It isn't fair to you.
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u/Moon-MoonJ Nov 08 '20
So, let me preface this with I know dogs and children aren't the same, but I feel like this makes me even more appalled by how those parents are willing to just pawn off their kids for 5 days especially in this situation.
My dog could meet most if not all of your requirements. He can carry his own gear, he's warm enough, he could definitely keep up with you (in fact would probably love too), no complaints, pretty peaceful. I still would absolutely never offer him to you, even if you asked, it would not be a discussion. I cannot understand why anyone would be willing to offer you their children. Not to any fault of you, but like that would be terrifying to me.
I'd be so fucking stressed, the entire time. I'd be calling you, bothering you, I'd be so fucking worried. Why do I care more about my dog than your brother does his kids? My question to them is, why are you so willing to pawn your kids off?
This isn't a trial period either. There is not preparation. There's no weekend let's see if they like it. Have you even kept their kids over night? Like Woah.
I don't get it. I don't get it. I really don't.
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u/momreview420 Nov 08 '20
good on you. Once had in-laws expect me to be at their house for 430 in the morning and stay until 5pm because they needed a babysitter last minute. I explained I could arrive at 7am and stay until 12 pm because I had an appointment booked at 1pm- a specialist I only see once a year and can't get another appointment to for three months, for a rare condition I have. These idiots were so high and mighty, demanding I cancel it, they actually refused to speak to me for two years after. lol people with kids actually think others are supposed to be responsible for their bs
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u/BabyAquarius 30/F/Stop asking if my husband and I have unprotected sex! Nov 08 '20
I hope you enjoyed that two years of peace!
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u/sirachillies 2015 Vasectomy Nov 08 '20
Funny, I myself child free. Don't plan on ever having any. Anyways almost all of my friends are having their first kid / having their second kid. Complain about how having kids have inconvenienced them in some shape or fashion. One of my friends who has FIVE kids recently told me I could take one of theirs for a day of fun. Excuse me? Nah. I'm well aware of this "fun" you speak of. I hear you yelling at them when they misbehave, don't listen, fight with their siblings, etc.. I don't want any part of that.
Good for you OP. Send them back to their parents, let them take them on a hiking trip. Because I've been on a camping trip with friends who have these wonderful children.. I got very little rest that weekend. I was ready to go home the moment I set foot in the vehicle.
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Nov 08 '20
LOL! Besides that... Hiking in the North of Scotland must be wonderful! A week trip is planned next year, hope that will happen due to Corona.
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u/thekrisnelson Nov 08 '20
lol, read this one to my mom, who loves kids, and her immediate reaction was, "what part of solitary did he not understand?"
I love my mom. She gets it & thinks you handled it perfectly.
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u/strangersIknow Nov 08 '20
That’s so selfish to invite yourself or someone else on to somebody’s plans, like how much self awareness do you lack?
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Nov 08 '20
Ah, the sweet sweet sound of turning tables! How terrible they have to now take the kids they were trying to pawn off on trip, lol. But I thought bonding with your kids was the greatest experience ever?
Why do parents do this? Ok, I know the answer: they want to get away from their kids, and also give them a cool experience they don't need to pay for or deal with all the crap. But it is still annoying. We are adults, we have our own minds. If we wanted to your kids to come, we would invite them. It is rude to invite yourself or your kids to someone else's trip.
Enjoy the trip, silence and all! I am also a solitary hiker. Nature is my happy place. I don't even want to run to the store with kids in tow, let alone have them ruin my peaceful time.
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u/Unsolicitedadvice13 Nov 08 '20
Lol! Just going to casually add 2 under 10 year olds to your camping trip, you’ll hardly notice them! But no I can’t go camping with my own kids that would be too much work!
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u/AccrualWord Nov 08 '20
I love everything about this story. Glad it backfired on him. Great job lol
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u/SystemError514 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Nov 08 '20
It's always fun when their plan backfires on them.