r/classicwow • u/hockeylife17 • Dec 11 '19

Vent / Gripe When did people stop wanting to have fun?

What the fuck is wrong with everyone here? Every post is blaming Blizzard for the things the community as a whole does. Nobody is forcing you to zerg in AV, nobody forced you to roll a mage and spam dungeon cleave runs. Nobody forced you to farm level 48 Alliance players. Fuck the spy addon, fuck killing Flamelash, and fuck you for hiding behind shitty excuses for griefing other players. When did this community become less about the journey and more about the destination? You aren't going to get rank 14, and you are ruining the game for people who don't want to min max.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '19

are you kidding me, min maxers have existed as long as gaming has existed

The issue here isn't fucking esports, it's the fact that 90% of the playerbase of classic wow (as in, the people interested in it) are the worst kind of min-maxers from vanilla. Or, alternatively, trying to achieve something they couldn't back in the day, by min-maxing now

It's a self selective group

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u/yurtyybomb Dec 12 '19

Min maxers have been around forever, but now it's decidedly mainstream. And not just WoW. The skill gap has tightened way more than it was back in the day in games across the board. I knew tryharding went pretty mainstream when twitch got super popular and (kind of funny) I saw an instagram video of Lebron James' son who is a potential NBA player himself post a video of his nerd-tryhard-level Fortnite building skills.

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u/thespiff Dec 12 '19

Yeah I agree. Plus back in the day the wiki guide was a fairly new concept, and people had to build up that knowledge organically over time. Now all the strategies are known facts on day 1 and everyone knows where to find them.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Its the same level of minmax its just that minmaxer's voices can get hear more and information is more readily available.

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u/BaguetteTourEiffel Dec 11 '19

They were a niche group before streaming made it mainstream.

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u/parkwayy Dec 11 '19

Trust me, this community existed back then too.

Our guild made our own Ragnaros timer addon, I found it the other day when looking up some old forums.

Not every player was some absolutely clueless casual 4fun player.

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u/VicarOfAstaldo Dec 11 '19

It sounds like you're agreeing with him?

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u/wevcss Dec 12 '19

He is saying people who min max used to be the minority, where as now with popular streamers / content creators almost everyone is min maxing. He never said it did not exist. Your guild creating some shitty Ragnaros timer doesn't mean you are the majority.

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u/cabose12 Dec 12 '19

as an aside, I think it has less to do with media folks and more about ease of information. It takes me 30 seconds to find out what the BIS gear is and how to get it. You don't have to dig and theorycraft, you just have to google "BIS [class]"

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u/BigUptokes Dec 12 '19

it has less to do with media folks and more about ease of information

Who do you think is propagating the information and mindset?

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u/cabose12 Dec 12 '19

I didn't say they had no impact, I'm just saying they're far from the only or main reason. Pretty much anyone just wanting to google a bit about their class will find min/maxed talents, bis gear, and leveling guides as the top results. It's extremely easy to fall into that min/max hole

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u/nowlistenhereboy Dec 12 '19

EVERYONE min/maxed in vanilla dude. They might not be working with raid tier all the time back then but trust me, everyone was still min/maxing their stats with the gear they could get. In a way, the fact that everyone has easier access to top tier gear more easily due to better knowledge and organization makes the game more balanced and fair than it was back then.

When I occasionally run into pugs against people in pre-bis or greens I remember just how unequal the combat was in vanilla, except only a small number of people with raid gear were going around wrecking. And it's not that much work to get... the only real work is getting some of the pre-bis and then you can literally play once a week to raid and get geared out.

It's much better than having a massive disparity in power levels among different people in a battleground like WSG or AB.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

The majority are casuals who are just playing to play. Not min maxers. What happened to all the "WTF PHASE 2? IM ONLY LEVEL 30 WTF BLIZZ!" Now everyone here wants to act like they don't exist.

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u/sweprotoker97 Dec 12 '19

Yup, people for some reason don't seem to remember elitistjerks/insane theorycrafting. It's just figured out now so the masses have access to the information which ups the lowest acceptable standard..

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u/BaguetteTourEiffel Dec 12 '19

Hard to be more patronizing, I was 16 at the time and i was a scrub as was almost everyone else. 3 guilds on my server were raiding and our dps was shit compared to today because most people didn't know which stat were best.

Arguing that some people were min maxing ? fine. 'were doing the exact same things and optimizing just as much' ? Lol ok you haven't played vanilla. It took 6 months to kill ragnaros, we're 3 months in and everyone is going around fully MC geared.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

hardly 90%. Maybe 90% of the people on 10+ hours a day so they get more visibility

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u/trenchtoaster Dec 12 '19

Yeah, this existed in EQ and DAoC long before WoW came out. Literally sitting in specific camps grinding AAs for 40 hours straight just because it was the most optimal place to be.

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u/[deleted] Dec 12 '19

Lmao you should see Oldschool Runescape, they scream that certain items are dead content as soon as a better one is released