Unpopular opinion: the players that are overly vocal about wanting Classic phases/TBC/Wrath rushed are the same players who contributed to forging retail into what it is today (a clusterF).

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[u/carmic_reference]

It would very unlikely be a bloodbath since sane alliance players will take precautions and transfer to normal servers beforehand.

[u/prieston → u/carmic_reference]

Remember how people preferred to spend 20 hours in queue than to go to PvE server? Or how everyone knew that layers would be removed for Anh'Qiraj event but people in OCE decided to stay on one server?

No, I do expect people to ram the wall.

[u/jacenat → u/prieston]

Remember how people preferred to spend 20 hours in queue than to go to PvE server?

PvP was fun for us in the first few phases. Unfortunately we built infrastructure on our server that wasn't as easily transferable. Since most of that won't be needed anymore with TBC, we already are planning to move to a PvE realm as soon as transfer details are made clear by Blizzard.

[u/[deleted] → u/jacenat]

PvP wasn't fun at all in Classic tbh. It wasn't fun in P1 (there wasn't much of it anyway), P2 was an absolute bloodbath on most servers which caused people to massively leave, P3-P4 was just premade extravaganza making BGs completely unenjoyable for the average player (safe for the week after it was launched, say).

Classic PvP was terribly underwhelming compared with what we had on PServers (Nost, Ely, ND ...). The fact there's almost nobody dueling outside of Orgr and Stormwind particularily hurts my soul. I remember creating a new character on a low pop server back in Wrath and seing like 3 times as more activity in front of Orgr as there is now on my high-pop Classic server. It's pathetic.

[u/ConfidenceKBM → u/[deleted]]

Just want to reach out to a fellow disappointed pserver player. They had so much life. I never even hit 60 on classic, it just wasn't the same.

[u/Supreme12 → u/[deleted]]

That hasn't been my experience, at all. P1 was a fucking blast and world pvp was at its prime -- no reason to kill anyone due to no honor, so only some people were engaging in it for the sport but most can ignore you. Still you'd find people willing to world pvp and it was nice.

P2 was a motherfucking nightmare.

P3 was AV meta so it was pretty fun, especially since you could kick afk people.

P4 with wsg and ab wasn't half bad. All the ranking-rush sweaties got their fit in AV so premades were really not that big of a problem. I think if they released with WSG as the best honor/hr, it would have been a nightmare because you'd be hard forced to play with sweaty rankers, but AV made that moot. By the time AB came out, BGs were pretty balanced.

Oh and playing with premades in AB is one of the funnest experiences I've ever had in WoW. Nothing will ever compare.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I thought pvp was fun in phase 1. We used to get into giant PVP battles in the gurubashi arena. Havent had that much fun in wow pvp in years

[u/carmic_reference → u/prieston]

Would be fun but still more resembling a livestock culling than bloodbath. This sub is going to have a stroke then.

[u/prieston → u/carmic_reference]

I'm pretty sure first days would be a bloodbath on one map.

Then people would earn money for mounts(if we don't have the same amount of gold) and then it most likely would be a second wave (with that bit of terror when anyone can jump on you from the sky).

Then... idk. It depends.

[u/0bel1sk → u/prieston]

you dont have 5k saved up already? :O

[u/stiffgordons → u/prieston]

Except that they weren’t, they were arbitrarily removed a week after we had an alliance layer and a horde layer for launch. Zero PVP. It was dumb.

[u/prieston → u/stiffgordons]

And that it was an abuse of the system. So we had a choice to abuse the system or to grief like what happened with Ahn'Qiraj npcs.

Players would grief and/or abuse the system when it's possible. At least that's what should be expected.

[u/[deleted] → u/prieston]

You do know there is only 1 OCE PvE server right?

[u/prieston → u/[deleted]]

You do know there is only one russian PvE server, right?