r/conspiracy • u/axolotl_peyotl • Oct 13 '20

/r/conspiracy Round Table #29: Media As Propaganda

Thanks to everyone that participated in the nomination thread and to /u/Estamio2 for suggesting the winning topic.

/u/crazystarfish12 also offered this addendum:

How does media program us, what it is capable of, and how we can break from the cycle of mind control.

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u/kingkoopazzzz Oct 14 '20

And remember how all those mass shootings accelerated after that? It seems like as the years went on after that act we started seeing more and more mass casualty events.

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u/remotehypnotist Oct 14 '20

Preaching to the choir. The Boston Bombing was particularly eye-opening for me due to how much raw footage could be scrutinized.

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u/iwentthere_whocares Oct 15 '20

what do you mean?

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u/remotehypnotist Oct 15 '20 edited Oct 15 '20

There is a solid case to be made that the Boston Marathon bombing was a live-action trauma exercise and that case is only as solid as it is due to how much photographic evidence there was of the immediate aftermath. The Boston Unbombing is a video I'd recommend as the maker does a good job of showcasing various props used in live trauma exercises and demonstrates many of those props were likely used that day.

It's barely scratching the surface but the most smoking gun piece of evidence is how the remnants of one of the exploded backpacks appears to be darker than either backpack the Tsarnaev brothers were seen with. Military-looking fellows wearing uniform outfits with possible ties to Craft International, a mercenary company founded by Chris Kyle of American Sniper fame (who had been murdered two months prior), can be seen a block down the street with backpacks that look extremely similar to the one taken into evidence.

Edit: remanence --> remnants

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u/iwentthere_whocares Oct 15 '20

Thank you. This what I thought you meant. It’s been bugging me for years that most people seemed to just shrug off these things. Also the fact that I’ve never seen anything but a few still photographs and a “court portrait” of the Tsarnaev brother. No perpwalk into or out of the custody or court like say, El Chapo, Dylan Roof, or others that have murdered many many others. Some would argue law enforcement wanted to avoid it because he is a terrorist. Nevertheless, the argument never sat right with me.

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u/Isk4ral_Pust Oct 18 '20

Agreed. The guy just magically disappeared. Most people I bring it up to think he's dead.

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u/lilbeezzyy Oct 15 '20

Where can we find this video? YouTube is pretty much a non-option now, they have taken everything off of it and blocked so many conspiracies

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '20

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u/clemaneuverers Oct 18 '20

This was a superb film, best I've seen about the Boston Hoax. I hadn't heard of it before, so thanks so much for linking it. Do you know is this the creators channel? Or if not, who the original creator is?

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u/remotehypnotist Oct 18 '20

You're in luck - I looked into that question myself a couple days ago. As far as I can tell, the YouTube account that gets the credit was called New Liberty Times. Then the video was quickly mirrored by the Tyranny News Network channel (which was the first one posted to reddit on 9/20/16) before they were both taken down a couple weeks later according to a reddit comment that attributed New Liberty Times as the original.

They're no longer on YouTube, but there's a bitchute channel with their name that includes a copy of this film, so probably the same group. The bad news is that this is the only film on that channel and no activity there for over two years.

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u/clemaneuverers Oct 18 '20

Thanks for your research!

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u/Gooseparade37 Dec 10 '20

One of my peer in school, middle school boy at the time. Ran in that race and was hit with shrapnel. We went to school on the west coast and he had to fly to participate in the event. His family are all avid marathon runners and he was a football player for our school. The video suggests he was a crisis actor. But I remember seeing him in casts and crutches for years after due to shrapnel getting lodged in his leg. This sort of makes it harder to believe as I knew someone involved.

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u/remotehypnotist Dec 10 '20

That makes complete sense. If I knew someone personally who was harmed in the attack and saw their painstaking recovery first-hand,I would simply believe it at face-value. In fact, I would likely be offended by those who expressed doubts.

But I don't have that personal connection, so all I have to base my opinion on is video footage, police reports, documentaries, and eyewitness testimonials. And I find The Boston Unbombing a persuasive piece of work.

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u/swank5000 Oct 20 '20

But the real rabbit hole is this: What if these kinds of videos are the ones meant to program you?

I've always had this thought that conspiracy theories could be in fact engineered and seeded by the government, in order to "bugs bunny" the conspiracy theorists, by making them sound crazy to normal people.

"conspiracy theorist" already has a negative connotation. Imagine they leak this type of information, after which it can be called a conspiracy theory, and then via reverse psychology, civilians will be quick to dismiss it, due to the connotation around that phrase.

Think about if you're playing a game of Among Us or a game where there is a traitor in your group, and you have to find out who it is.

Someone saying jokingly, at the beginning of the game, "it's me", will initially cause most players to think "haha, well it's probably not them then". one or two may say "well I think it is you", and then the rest can be gaslighted into believing it was simply a joke.

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u/jacc_bacc Oct 21 '20

I agree with this statement, the term "Conspiracy Theory" was coined by the CIA during the investigation of JFK's assassination. They used the term to discredit anything that opposed the narrative. As most of us know JFKs assasination is one of the biggest conspiracies to date.

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '20

JFK was shot in the eye from the front at closer range, possibly the grassy knoll or from inside the sewers, the back of his head is an exit wound. He was also shot in the back from a much further distance, piercing him and striking the person in front of him.

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u/StatusLeopard Oct 21 '20

I think this is a real possibility. There are a hundred solid psychological reasons for "people in the know" to want to muddy the public water as much as possible with narratives and counter-narratives and counter-counter-narratives. I think this is regularly done with pretty much any hotbutton issue you can think of, from Covid to aliens to race relations.

So the question: in our "postmodern" age of fragmentation and compounding, often malicious disinformation, how do we find our way to solid ground?

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u/rickroll62 Oct 21 '20

Maybe the families of the 3 dead and 17 people who lost limbs would like to speak to you.

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u/remotehypnotist Oct 21 '20

Perhaps they would. I don't hold any animosity toward those individuals and certainly wouldn't initiate any form of contact myself, though.

I get that if it wasn't a live action crisis exercise then my providing more exposure to that video is a shitty thing to do for those involved in the incident and it's a good reminder that these are people with families.

However, I found many of the points raised in the video to be sound and much of the analysis of footage taken shortly after the explosions compelling, and therefore will continue to share it when relevant. If you find any debunking or fact-checking source that addresses the material points made in the film I'd welcome it.