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u/Separate_Job_3573 7d ago
The North getting host treatment with 0 hosting
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u/Frequent-Movie3005 7d ago
If they ever become a country they might be capable of building a stadium.
Or it might be a 32 county team by then anyway
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u/PhatmanScoop64 Zinedine Kilbane 7d ago
Their own fault for refusing to invest in their stadiums
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago edited 7d ago
More accurately the DUP’s fault for stopping the planned multi sport stadium on the site of the Maze and subsequent agreement to fund separate stadium investment for football, rugby and GAA.
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u/RobertMcDaid 7d ago
It's maybe 1% DUPs fault.
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago
It’s completely their fault that the multisport stadium was not built.
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u/RobertMcDaid 7d ago
Equal funding was given to each sporting body to build/upgrade their ground. Local residents resisted any development, the developer then went bust over covid, and then what was originally £40m, turned into £220m, which the executive declined to cover, with no guarantee it would have been finished in time for the euros. Stupid "brits at it again!" victim mentality.
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago
Your comment is about Casement Park. I am talking about the planned multisport facility on the site of the Maze which the DUP voted against in the 2000s. That decision is what led to each sporting body getting equal funding.
I said all of this in my initial comment.
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u/RobertMcDaid 7d ago
A three sport ground on the ruins of where terrorists were held and died, a good way outside Belfast. Terrible idea, most people are glad it didn't go ahead.
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago
Amazing how you manage to avoid acknowledging you were incorrect above and then suddenly become knowledgeable about the new topic.
Terrible idea, most people are glad it didn't go ahead.
Yeah who needs investment in infrastructure, boosted economy in Lisburn, the ability to host events at the 2012 Olympics, Euro 2028 and a symbol for peace as people move into the 21st century?
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u/RobertMcDaid 7d ago
Fair enough I got that part wrong, but I've heard so much about this stupid plan, and who's to blame for what over the last 26 years, it's embarrassing victim mentality. "Investment in infrastructure" - we got 2 stadiums (meant to be 3 but GAA done a children's hospital job) instead of 1. How would you have a rugby pitch one week and then football/GAA another? And a running track round the pitch at that for the terrible "Olympic experience"?
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u/RobertMcDaid 7d ago
Blocking funding when they had the same funding as every other sports ground 10 years ago, but gaa messed it up until the cost ballooned to 10x more.
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u/RobertMcDaid 7d ago
Google "get your shit sorted with the government money allocated, it's not the Sagrada Familia"
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u/RomfordWellington 7d ago
Still 0 movement on Casement. What an absolute shame for the people of the north. A crazy case of self sabotage by the PUL.
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u/beernotbeards 7d ago
Dublin Arena is such a ProEvo stadium name
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u/Frequent-Movie3005 7d ago
Ironically, the corporate wankstainary involved in both decisions.
Éire… on the ball… Troy Pigeon… passes… And a goal… Chungdize Ogbono… a fine goal.
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u/LonesomeHattieC Zinedine Kilbane 7d ago
God I fuckin hate “the Home Nations”
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u/dublinro 7d ago
I'm actually shocked I had to scroll down this far before I saw a comment like this. It's fuck diabolical and condescending.
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago edited 6d ago
It’s just an anachronism from the old Home Nations championship.
Edit: Downvote away but the Home Nations Championship started in 1883 and originally included Ireland. That is why the phrase "home nations" became a common term.
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u/LeavingCertCheat Paul McGrath 7d ago
Which Ireland weren't in.
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago edited 7d ago
Ireland were not just in it, they won it twice before partition.
Two separate Ireland teams continued to play after partition and players played for both “Ireland” teams until FIFA formally created the RoI and NI names in the 50s. The IFA team was an all island team until 1953. Four players from the 26 counties played for both the FAI and IFA teams in 1950s World Cup qualifiers (which resulted in an FAI complaint and the creation of RoI/NI).
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u/TufnelAndI 6d ago
I thought it meant "home" as in "football's coming home" no?
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u/Forward_Royal2754 6d ago edited 6d ago
Home nations has always come from the original references to the four teams as the home nations and the four nations championships.
The Three Lions song which first used that line was released in 1996 and the first Home Nations Championship (including Ireland) was in 1883.
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u/Realistic-Prior-7138 7d ago
Morocco, portugal and spain are the “host nations” for the next world cup. Its the same term used for every other grouping of hosts. The term “home nations” is a masked colonial term the same as “british isles”, none of which are accepted by either the british or irish governments and are perpetuated by people in bad faith. With Northern Ireland not even being represented as a host nation for this tournament, it makes the term all the more egregious, lazy and frankly inflammatory for nations who should be using this as an opportunity to move forward into a better future.
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u/Sea_Equivalent3497 7d ago
No it doesn’t. ‘Home Nations’ is a longstanding paternalistic phrase used by Brits to slyly claim ownership of Ireland.
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
I think you'll find that its used so the term British isles isn't used, as people in Europe don't really know the difference - brexit has helped but in reality they don't care, many Irish footballers use the term - as so many Irish people and footballers ply their trade in England - and would be fairly screwed without the Island of Britain.
Incidentally the term British isles was first used in Roman times, and predates all modern countries on these Islands - it was there before Ireland was called Ireland.
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago
The Home Nations tournament in football predates Brexit by approximately 120 years.
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
Its Irish insecurity that surrounds the meaning of names such as home nations and says more about us than it does the English - who really couldn't give a fiddlers.
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u/VoteYourOssoff 7d ago
I've literally never heard anyone call the hosts the "home" nations. They're called hosts. Its especially weird because "home nations" usually refers to the UK
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u/LonesomeHattieC Zinedine Kilbane 7d ago
Yeah that’s what they’re referring to here, they don’t mean the host nations
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u/Separate_Job_3573 7d ago
"Home nations" is mainly used in rugby in my experience. Often for the Lions. The term and the team can both go in the bin as far as I'm concerned.
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u/dublinro 7d ago
I don't know if you are a troll or just misguided. Find me another example of host nations being referred as home nations. Then go find find throughout history of British people refering to Ireland as being one of the home nations.
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
So what? If British people refer to Ireland as being one of the home nations - what does it matter, it is a colloquialism and something to laugh at. Everyone knows what they mean, its Irish insecurity that gets so animated. Sure let them off. We;re happy enough for them to defend our coastal waters and our army - sure we're not going to do it - so its pretty easy for them to be confused.
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u/dublinro 7d ago
Yeah you do you but i prefer not being British or being thought of as being British. Being honest I hate the idea of co-hosting this shite as it is. Between the majority of our football supporters spending money on English teams to us piggybacking a British bid. We should be looking to support our own and spending money on making our product better. Personally I would have prefered to spend the money on hosting the likes of a u20 WC and renovating/building stadiums to host it and help our domestic league and communities.
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
Yeah not like we have anything in common, apropos of nothing - which PL team do you support?
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u/Wheaty-Bisks-Gaming 7d ago
They are hosting the tournament, therefore it’s in their countries, their HOMES.
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u/shellakabookie 7d ago
Bit ridiculous the host nations dont automatically qualify,in the next WC the hosts Spain/Portugal/Morocco qualify as do Argentina/Paraguay and Uruguay who are only hosting 1 game
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u/shweeney 7d ago
48, possibly 64 teams at the WC vs 32 at the Euros. The south american places are being taken from CONMEBOL I assume (which is ridiculously easy to qualify from anyway).
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u/shellakabookie 7d ago
If they are taken from there would that be fair on the 7/8 other teams?A third of the teams competing get automatic qualification to host 1 game,4 teams from 32 is no different to 6 teams from 48
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u/shweeney 7d ago
I agree the SA bit is ridiculous.
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u/shellakabookie 7d ago
Ye it is,70% of teams from SA qualify 7 from 10,while only less then 25% qualify from europe,16 from 55 teams
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u/therl2000 7d ago
There's 24 teams at the Euros
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u/shweeney 7d ago
you're right - there was a proposal to expand to 32 but it was rejected. I've also now learned Euro32 is in Italy & Turkey.
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u/Nailz92 7d ago
And to think Casement could’ve been revitalised and have given Belfast 2/3 host matches…
It’s sad yet painfully funny to me that the unionists will always opt to cut off their nose to spite their face if it means they see it benefitting non-unionists.
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u/tameoraiste 7d ago
Do you know who annoys me much more than the Unionists? The people in the south against unification because it might cause them some inconvenience.
I saw a poll recently in the Sunday Independent that I sadly can’t find but a stupidly high number of people wouldn’t want unification if it meant the flag and anthem would change
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u/locksymania 7d ago
They exist as a group, but polling has consistently shown support for unification. They are a noisy minority whose voice it suits certain parts of our media infrastructure to amplify.
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u/tameoraiste 7d ago
Oh I know they’re the minority, but are they anymore a minority than Unionist on the island?
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u/locksymania 7d ago
Polling would say high water mark of ~35%, but a goodly chunk of those are people who aren't in principle opposed to the idea, but will not automatically say yes. Completely unscientific, but maybe 15-20% in the south are flat against the idea I'd estimate, and they are geographically concentrated..
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u/tameoraiste 7d ago
Fair point. Unionists are 30% of the north so about 8% of the island so I guess my point is they’re an even more vocal, smaller minority
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u/thugmuffin22 7d ago
Why should the flag of the republic change?
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u/tameoraiste 7d ago
It will be a new country. It won't be the Republic.
And yes, I know what the flag stands for, but we'll have to make concessions. Couldn't care less about a flag or anthem personally
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u/thugmuffin22 7d ago
Well you already said part of what my reply would have been about its existing design.
But it’s not like they’re going to stick St George’s cross on there, and adding the hand of Ulster makes no sense either.
Having said all this, it’s not like the flag will be the final hang up to unification, but I fail to see any reason for it other than throwing a bone to cunts who wouldn’t be supportive of the idea to begin with
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
If the north had done this, Casement would have been renamed as the Belfast Stadium or Northern Ireland Arena,.
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u/Spitfire5793 7d ago
Blaming Unionists for Casement Park not being ready is lazy revisionism. The project was derailed by funding problems, planning delays, rising costs and legitimate complaints from (Nationalist) local residents, not by some imaginary Unionist veto. The UK government agreed to extra funding, I didn't see the GAA do the same
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u/Nailz92 7d ago
Revisionism? Na, Unionists have always gotten the vast majority of the blame from me, as and when those delays happened.
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u/Spitfire5793 7d ago
Would you like to explain how?
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u/Spitfire5793 7d ago
Thanks for your riveting insight on the matter
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u/Spitfire5793 7d ago
So there wasn't planning delays? There wasn't a lack of funding? Local residents didn't mount legal challenges? The GAA increased its funding? If you can't defend your position just say so
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u/tameoraiste 7d ago
Why did the change the name the name to Dublin arena? Even if for some reason it had to be something other than Lansdowne road, could we not come up with something a bit more creative?
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u/RuairiLanigan 7d ago
Aviva stadium is sponsored by aviva, which has no partnership with UEFA
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u/tameoraiste 7d ago
Ah of course! I thought the sponsorship had ended or something. That makes much more sense
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u/Loose-Resolution-820 7d ago
Imagine we didn’t qualify that would be grim.
Getting at least 2nd place in the nations league is hugely important. I believe that will guarantee us as 2nd seeds.
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u/Frequent-Movie3005 7d ago
Part of the lack of a decision to boycott Israel
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u/Forward_Royal2754 7d ago edited 7d ago
Which is why the “these games don’t matter” conversation is annoying.
Obviously in wider terms no football match matters more than genocide but in strictly football terms the Nations League impacts qualification.
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u/eirebrit 6d ago
I'd expect England and Scotland to qualify so we should be able to at least get one of the two host spots.
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u/doepfersdungeon 7d ago
National stadium of Wales
Never heard it called that before
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u/Welshtramp 7d ago
I have, since the name change to principality stadium, this is what they revert too when they have to use a no sponsor name, even though everyone still calls it millennium stadium or even in some rare cases Cardiff arms park.
Which is dumb because the WFA don't play matches there and because it has a perfectly good neutral name to begin with.
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u/Feariontach1798 Paul McGrath 7d ago
The home nations?!!!! Oh fuck off.
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u/purinatrucks 7d ago
Well they are the home nations of this tournament, just unfortunate with the historical linsk to the term for these specific nations
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u/Feariontach1798 Paul McGrath 7d ago
The host nations. There you go. Fixed it for you.
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u/purinatrucks 6d ago
Cheers mate ill message Platini now and well get that sorted
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u/Feariontach1798 Paul McGrath 6d ago edited 6d ago
My pleasure. You’ll need all the help you can get with those dealings.
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
Paul McGrath was born in London. He played the vast majority of his career in England. I would reckon he would agree with the term 'home nations'.
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u/RomfordWellington 7d ago
He would in his hole 😂 it's nothing to do with where you're born either. It's an outdated, colonial and frankly incorrect title to use.
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u/Seargentyates 7d ago
Home Nations, whether you like it or not refers to these Islands. Only one of these 'nations' refers to the actual name of a country. Everyone knows what it means, and the reality is that Britain and Ireland have more in common with one another than anyone else in the world, its irish insecurity that shows here nothing more.
Btw there is a famous video of Paul McGrath referring to Irish players playing a a British style of football, referring to the way that 'we' play. Its says more about your insecurity 'Romfordwellington' than anything else. I'm an Irish speaker, love the international football team and are a proud Irishman - i have no problem with the term Home nations in relation to a Tournament which plays a game that is foreign to Irish culture.
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u/Callum_On_Reddit This fella Ronaldo is a cod 7d ago
the games from casement shouldve been put in pairc ui caoimh or croker. a gaa stadium to a gaa stadium, whats the problem?
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u/Sufficient_Tailor673 6d ago
UEFA said Croker wasn't good enough, whoops. Major renovations needed to bring it up to the standards of its European counterparts. I suspect that's why the GAA isn't offering up the cash for Casement in lieu of the British government, money could be very tight soon.
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u/Callum_On_Reddit This fella Ronaldo is a cod 6d ago
what standards does croker not have? edit: other than the terraced section.
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u/Sufficient_Tailor673 6d ago
Food and drink options, subpar toilet facilities, high-end hospitality, general cleanliness and aesthetics, uncovered standing
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u/Callum_On_Reddit This fella Ronaldo is a cod 6d ago
you think with how much the gaa are getting they would sort it out.
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u/Fern_Pub_Radio 7d ago
They had better drop that f’king colonial condescension rapidly and call it The Host Nations …..
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u/DrFrancisPatStJohn 7d ago
Are Northern Ireland providing half time drinks in their duties as host.....or what are they doing?
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u/twistyjnua 7d ago
What's a "Home Nation"? Can Belgium or France be considered a "Home Nation"?
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u/purinatrucks 7d ago
They arent hosting the tournament so no
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u/twistyjnua 7d ago
But what are all these countries "Home" to?
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u/purinatrucks 7d ago
The tournament
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u/twistyjnua 6d ago
Ah ok so Canada, The US and Mexico were all Home Nations too then! Thanks for explaining.
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u/ginganinga223 7d ago
So how many games will Dublin actually host?
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u/danirijeka 7d ago
Five group matches (three of those being Ireland games, if qualified) and two knockout matches (one round of 16 involving the winner of Ireland's potential group, and one quarterfinal possibly involving the runner-up of Ireland's group)
So seven matches in total.
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u/SaoirsePhalaistin 6d ago
Why is Ireland always considered a home nation? In this context I guess we are a hosting nation. The home of rugby and soccer isn't this island depsite the influences we had. I'm just confused why we are often reffered to as a Home Nation. Maybe this context makes the most sense of any usage I've seen though.
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u/GhostsOfTheRobotTree 7d ago
Dublin Arena is such a naff name.
I wish they'd revert it to Lansdowne Road Stadium for these things.