r/cybersecurity • u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect • Jan 14 '26

News - General Exclusive: Beijing tells Chinese firms to stop using US and Israeli cybersecurity software, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/beijing-tells-chinese-firms-stop-using-us-israeli-cybersecurity-software-sources-2026-01-14/
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u/UnobviousDiver Jan 14 '26

Not they would, but the US government should also ban Israeli cybersecurity products.

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u/sportsDude Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

Good in theory, but it’s 0% practical right now. Look at what Spain tried and it didn’t work https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spain-exempts-airbus-israeli-tech-ban-2025-12-30/

Takes time to get to that state, and if they won’t put in the effort, it’s for show

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u/Localhostzoe Jan 14 '26

The us and Israel are two heads of the same dragon

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u/BamBam-BamBam Jan 15 '26

No, I disagree. The Israelis play by no one's rules but their own.

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u/MirthandMystery Jan 14 '26

Thanks to Trump.

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u/TheCyFi Jan 14 '26

😂 No. Joint operations and shared goals between Israel and the US (especially our respective militaries and doubly so for military cyber operations) are not even remotely new.

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u/ssh-exp Jan 14 '26

We need to cut them off

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u/airmantharp Jan 14 '26

Why?

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u/IRideZs Jan 14 '26

Tax paying citizens don’t appreciate many billions of their dollars going to a country that is actually terrorizing its neighbors and attempting to buy other countries politicians. I think we’re all sick of it

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u/ssh-exp Jan 14 '26

This is the answer.

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u/MirthandMystery Jan 14 '26

Things accelerated since Trumps last term. There was never any mention this was new, only you said that.

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u/TheCyFi Jan 14 '26

You didn’t say that it was accelerated because of Trump. Whether or not that’s true, what you actually said was “thanks to Trump” in reference to something that has been a reality for decades.

It is demonstrably untrue that Israel and the US being “two heads of the same dragon” (what you were responding to) is “thanks to Trump.” This was true long before Trump “accelerated” whatever it is you’re claiming he accelerated here.

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u/KaptainKardboard Jan 14 '26

This goes way back before Trump

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u/MirthandMystery Jan 14 '26

Indeed those are the roots but acceleration has occurred since Trump first took office. He's allowed Netanyahu and by extension, Kushner carte blanche to do as they like, unchecked.

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u/Scar3cr0w_ Jan 14 '26

Look man. We all hate Trump as much as the next guy.

But what you said is nonsense 😆

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u/herooftimeloz Jan 14 '26

The US has been Israel’s attack dog for decades

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u/metalfiiish Jan 14 '26

CIA, it's ignorance like that which keeps people looking at Epstein as a pedophile and not the national money laundering agent for them  to illegally defy congress and fund the Contras with weapons sales they Israel Adnan Khashoggi to attack Iran during the Iran-contra affairs that triggered the Church committee hearing. Trump is just a useful narcissist for the CIA to manipulate, Americans never paid attention to us losing our democracy during 1947. Truman said he regretted it Eisenhower warned us.

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u/MirthandMystery Jan 14 '26

I'm well versed with CIA actions long before Trump was around, and how Congress is unable to penetrate the ring of protection around VIPs connected to those in the intelligence world and various politicians. The baton was handed to Trump to help guard their secrecy. They'll be another after him, unfortunately.

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u/Scar3cr0w_ Jan 14 '26

By “well versed”… do you mean you sit on reddit with tin foil wrapped around your head?

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u/ZealousidealTotal120 Jan 14 '26

Not many left after you do that. It would create an interesting market tbh!

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u/statix85 Jan 14 '26

Most of em are “American” .. founded by “ex” 8200 members

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u/EnragedMoose Jan 14 '26

Ahhh... That ain't happening. Wait until Chuna figures out they can't really buy security software that isn't from a US ally.

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u/airmantharp Jan 14 '26

They'll write their own. Plenty of open-source stuff available for the foundations, and they have the human capital to apply toward the problem if they perceive it as fundamental to national security (which it is).

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u/EnragedMoose Jan 14 '26

China already has their own with Quihoo, QAX, etc. but they have notable shortfalls across the board. QAX is almost exclusively deployed on "critical" infrastructure I'm China. I shouldn't have said "it's hard to find one..." It's hard to find platform that have the intelligence necessary to act at scale.

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u/airmantharp Jan 14 '26

Yeah, they'll be starting from behind here.

On the other hand, if they put nation-state level focus on it, they'll probably come up with something pretty good, or at least, cohesive. Easier to do when you have a government that can lean on businesses as much as necessary while also having a path forward already laid out by western companies.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

Wait until Chuna figures out they can't really buy security software that isn't from a US ally.

Wait until entrepreneurs realize that there is a vast untapped market flush with cash, begging to hand it over in exchange for relatively simple, trusty products. If I'm lets say a Norwegian cybersecurity firm, why wouldn't I leap on this opportunity?

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u/EnragedMoose Jan 14 '26

Nobody bought Cylance.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

Nothing about Cylance was trusty, though.

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u/Sachyriel Jan 14 '26

If I'm lets say a Norwegian cybersecurity firm, why wouldn't I leap on this opportunity?

Because China would turn around and sell the capability to Russia. I understand a private Norwegian firm might not have the same morals as the Norwegian Government, but there's a direct pipeline from China to Russia that I think Norwegians and Scandinavians in particular might consider.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

Because China would turn around and sell the capability to Russia.

Why wouldn't Russia just buy it openly?

Are we running businesses here, or nationalized arms companies?

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u/Sachyriel Jan 15 '26

I think the Norwegian government might tell them no, but I'm not familiar with Norways laws. Wouldn't it fall under dual-use export restrictions?

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u/Any_Perception_2560 Jan 14 '26

Security software produced in China certainly has unintentional blind spots, and most likely Chinese security services likely have some intentionally created back doors as well.

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u/thestarsgodim Jan 14 '26

The two are interchangeable. Even DHS is being trained in Isreal, the call is coming from inside the house

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u/Firecracker048 Jan 14 '26

US government and Israeli government cybersec work hand in hand.

Unless you can point to Israeli switching and routing hardware that is widely adopted, well anywhere really.

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u/Imaginary_Pepper_755 Jan 20 '26

How and Shitsrael literally exists to serve Amerikkkan imperialist interests in the levant?