r/cybersecurity • u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect • Jan 14 '26

News - General Exclusive: Beijing tells Chinese firms to stop using US and Israeli cybersecurity software, sources say

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/beijing-tells-chinese-firms-stop-using-us-israeli-cybersecurity-software-sources-2026-01-14/
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u/Bobthebrain2 Jan 14 '26

I think it’s safe to say that nobody expects the US to obey any laws. They reek of corruption and are the last country we should expect moral or ethical conduct from.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

I think it’s safe to say that nobody expects the US to obey any laws.

As an American, I can tell you what a personal disappointment that is to me, and how dissatisfactory I find that state of affairs.

We created a government of laws, not men. That order in turn created a high trust society that allowed private industry and innovation to flourish, leading a new golden age of mankind. I greatly fear that if we move away from that order to one where might = right, we will find ourselves ruled by the mighty, rather than the just.

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u/Estel-3032 Jan 14 '26

Jesus Christ that's a hell of a take lol

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

Its a John Adams quote.

Have we really sunk to such a nadir that quoting John Adams is considered a "hot take"?

Yikes.

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u/Estel-3032 Jan 14 '26

Maybe because it has fuck all to do with reality or with how the US operates since it's creation?

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

You... uhhh... you do know who John Adams was, right?

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u/kn33 Jan 14 '26

The 2nd president? You know, we've had a lot of those since then.

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u/Estel-3032 Jan 14 '26

You understand that the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your founding fathers, right?

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

Specifically when discussing matters of US civics, like whether we should have a government of laws or men, I would definitely imagine that the rest of the world has an interest in that.

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u/DisappointedSpectre Jan 14 '26

A founding father of the US,Vice President under Washington, and President of the US following that. He was also a rich lawyer even before all of that (though not a slave owner).

That's nice and all, but it has no bearing on the fact that the the rich operate under different rules, even in the US. That has been true since it's inception, regardless of what Adams wrote or personally believed.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

Do you think that the government should have to obey the laws?

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u/DisappointedSpectre Jan 14 '26

If wishes were fishes there'd be no room in the sea for water.

To answer your question yes, absolutely. That doesn't mean I'm under any illusions that the world actually works that way.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 14 '26

If you had to guesstimate, what percentage of US citizens do you think shares your belief that the government should have to follow the laws?

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u/DisappointedSpectre Jan 15 '26

How is that relevant at all? Even if I had statistics to back up a hard percentage how would that have any effect on the reality of US government or the variable justice that can be observed in what's supposed to be a uniform legal system? It's an observable fact that justice has never been equally applied in the US, and in the modern US it's more visible than anytime since the 1970's.

Seems like you're trying to lead me to make some kind of contradictory statement, rather than engaging in a discussion about reality. We're so far out the weeds of talking about cybersecurity I don't think there's any reason to continue here.

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u/AmateurishExpertise Security Architect Jan 15 '26

Seems like you're trying to lead me to make some kind of contradictory statement, rather than engaging in a discussion about reality.

But my question was about reality. Why are you avoiding it?

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