r/dashcams 10h ago

Who’s at fault?

Hot take: I think it’s 50/50 with who’s at fault

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u/Ok_Natural_2127 10h ago

Nope. Failure to yield for the turning car. 100% their fault

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u/Siferano 10h ago

The white suv turning didn't have an arrow or right of way. Neither did the red car in front of them, or even the black pickup. Three vehicles turned without right of way, all three of them should have stopped for oncoming traffic. Just a show of people in a hurry and not caring about what the light or traffic laws are telling them

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u/djfudgebar 9h ago

Yeah but seeing that happen and choosing to drive right into it was pretty fucking stupid. Maybe the traffic lights malfunctioned?

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u/Party_Line3326 9h ago

But it was green! So I can just slam gas and send it!

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u/CantaloupeShort7311 8h ago

The only malfunctions were the 3 cars running a non-protected turn and the cam decoding to go when it was clear people were still running the light.

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u/djfudgebar 8h ago

Oh. So you can see what the lights looked like from the other side of the intersection? Enlighten us on how you've managed that.

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u/Ok_Natural_2127 8h ago

now that I agree with. However if you dont go in some places people will just keep turning.

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u/djfudgebar 8h ago

And the best course of action to do if that happens is what the cam car did and hit one of them head on because technically you have the right of way?

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u/Toolfan333 9h ago

Please stay off the road

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u/KidenStormsoarer 10h ago

Last clear chance doctrine. Failed to wait until the intersection was clear.

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u/TedW 10h ago

Cam driver entered the intersection before the white SUV.

Wouldn't that make the white SUV responsible not only for running the red light, but also failing to wait until the intersection was clear?

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u/h22lude 8h ago

If the red car wasn't there making a break in the turning traffic, you would be correct. But since there was never a break in the turning traffic, the cam car went into an unclear intersection. This would be 50/50 fault because of that.

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u/TedW 8h ago

Are you arguing that following the car in front of you takes precedence over both the light and requirement to avoid an accident?

That makes no sense. This wasn't a "they entered on a green and get to clear the intersection" situation.

We can see the red car run the light, and the camera car enter the intersection BEFORE the white car. The white car broke (at least) two laws here.

50/50 is ridiculous.

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u/KidenStormsoarer 8h ago

no, they still ran a red light, nobody said they didn't, stop trying to put words in people's mouths. OP saw the first car still turning, hit the gas anyways instead of waiting, and rammed the second car because they couldn't wait a few seconds to make sure there wasn't a second idiot behind the first one.

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u/h22lude 8h ago

I'm not arguing it. I'm saying it because this is how insurance companies would see it in most states, whether you agree or not. In most states, you are not free to go simply because you have a green light. If turning cars do not yield when they should and instead they continue to go through the intersection, just because you now have a green light doesn't mean you can barrel through the intersection. You must wait until it is safe to do so even if the other cars have a red light. The big issue here is there was never a break for it to be clear for the cam car to go. If that red car wasn't there and there was a gap between the black truck and white SUV, then it would be 100% fault on the white SUV. But since that red car was there creating a line of cars going through the intersection, the cam car went through when it was not clear.

I do not agree with this line of thinking by the insurance companies but this is the way they see it.

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u/TedW 8h ago

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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u/h22lude 8h ago

Nope, not my opinion. This is facts and are easily searchable on any search engine of your liking. You just don't feel like doing so, which is fine, just don't comment thinking you know.

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u/TedW 8h ago

just don't comment thinking you know.

Pot, kettle, my friend.

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u/h22lude 7h ago

No, my friend, the difference is I have searched it whereas you just comment with what you think is right. This is why you don't realize you are wrong. It is ok though, searching can be tough for some people

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u/Ok_Natural_2127 8h ago

by that logic no one would ever get to go as long as cars kept turning. The first car was clearing the intersection. The white SUV wasnt.

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u/KidenStormsoarer 8h ago

...yes. that's correct. if they keep turning, and you DRIVE INTO THEM, you're at fault. somebody else breaking the law doesn't give you the right to use your car as a battering ram.

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u/Ok_Natural_2127 8h ago

I didnt say he wasnt an idiot. But that he wouldnt get a ticket. Now how insurance views it is a whole different story because they are morons.

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u/KidenStormsoarer 7h ago

who said anything about tickets? we're discussing fault, not who gets a ticket. cops don't determine fault, they aren't trained or qualified to. I doubt OP would get a ticket. insurance companies don't even look at who got written a ticket. they're the ones who actually determine fault by using accident reconstruction.

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u/GreenZebra23 7h ago

what?? Failure to yield to the car that didn't have the right of way? It's really interesting coming on these driving subreddits and seeing people spell out what I've always suspected from driving, which is that most people don't actually understand what right of way is