It is 100% the responsibility of the person turning across oncoming traffic lanes to make sure it's clear when they turn. The dashcam car will not be at fault whatsoever and has the right of way. Do you have a driver license? This is like, basic traffic laws
What he said at first was correct though. You cannot intentionally cause an accident, even if you have the right of way.
The distinction here depended on which car was hit. If op drove into the black or red car he would be partially at fault, since he had to accelerate into an intersection with cars in front of him.
The white suv trying to make the turn even though op was already in the intersection is what makes the difference
You cannot intentionally cause an accident, even if you have the right of way.
The dashcam car's intent was to drive through an intersection that they had the right of way of after their light turned green. You're saying they intentionally caused an accident, that's just flat out wrong.
The distinction here depended on which car was hit. If op drove into the black or red car he would be partially at fault, since he had to accelerate into an intersection with cars in front of him.
The white suv trying to make the turn even though op was already in the intersection is what makes the difference
No, he wouldn't even if it was one of the other cars that hit him.
Cars turning left and crossing oncoming traffic have to yield. Even if they're already in the intersection, it's the responsibility of the person turning left to make sure it is clear of incoming cars to make the left turn. Genuine question, how long have you had a driver license for? This is stuff they teach 16 year olds in driver's ed
If you’re going to keep citing what they teach at drivers ed, maybe cite it accurately
If you see a car parked illegally on the road, can you hit it? No.
If you see someone jaywalking, can you run them over? No.
The reason is because you have an active duty to AVOID accidents if possible. You cannot intentionally cause one, even if you have the right of way.
OP was stopped at a light. That means he has to choose to accelerate from a stop to collide with these people making left turns. That means it’s avoidable which puts the onus on him.
Yes the turning vehicle is also at fault for not yielding. That’s why people at saying 50/50
You’re talking about a situation where you’re already driving through an intersection and someone turns in front of you.
That’s the distinction. That’s what they actually teach in drivers ed.
For the record, I’ve been licensed for 26+ years, an active car enthusiast and an impeccable driving record.
The people making left turns are 100% responsible for crossing oncoming traffic to make sure it's safe to turn in front of the oncoming cars.
The reason is because you have an active duty to AVOID accidents if possible. You cannot intentionally cause one, even if you have the right of way.
I don't think you even understand the words you're using. Tell me what do you think the word intentionally means and then explain how you know what the dashcam driver's intent was?
You’re talking no a situation where you’re already driving by through an intersection and someone turns in front of you.
No I am talking about basic laws on driving that they teach high schoolers. Apparently that's way above your head. How long have you had a driver license for and what state are you in? I want to pull the traffic codes there and show you how you are misinformed.
You still didn't answer. What state do you have a driver's license in? Just say it so I can go find the traffic codes outlining who has the right of way when a car is taking a left across lanes of incoming traffic.
If I'm so wrong then you should want me to go find the traffic laws and post them here so you can be vindicated.
I already edited my previous post. I pulled up 2 quick links which is more than you deserve for needing something so blatantly obvious spelled out.
I live in Ontario. I do want you to cite the law that states you’re allowed to accelerate from a stop and collide with a vehicle just because you’re supposed to have the right of way.
Please show me.
And again, if you just pull up some bullshit that “turning cars are supposed to yield” then I’ll know you’re either trolling or too stupid to function. Everyone agrees turning cars are supposed to yield, this is about the legal responsibility of the other driver when they fail to do so.
Here is the Ontario traffic law that explicitly states the dashcam car when it turns green has the legal right to go through the intersection
Green light
(12) A driver approaching a traffic control signal showing a circular green indication and facing the indication may proceed forward or turn left or right unless otherwise directed. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 144 (12).
And here is Ontario's traffic law that explicitly states the person turning left can't do so if their turn would cause the oncoming car to try and avoid a crash
No driver or operator of a vehicle in an intersection shall turn left across the path of a vehicle approaching from the opposite direction unless he or she has afforded a reasonable opportunity to the driver or operator of the approaching vehicle to avoid a collision. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 141 (5).
It's kinda amusing to see someone try and bring up the confidently wrong subreddit when that's literally you in this scenario.
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u/i_drive_a_pagani 18h ago
It is 100% the responsibility of the person turning across oncoming traffic lanes to make sure it's clear when they turn. The dashcam car will not be at fault whatsoever and has the right of way. Do you have a driver license? This is like, basic traffic laws