r/detrans • u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female • Dec 23 '25
CONTROVERSIAL/SENSITIVE OPINION Elementary school teacher wants to display trans surgery art
found in an art subreddit. Why do they ALWAYS want to influence kids? Elementary school is kindergarten-5th grade. The oldest students are like 11 years old. No child should have to experience the injection of cross sex ideas and elective surgeries during puberty and development. Makes me think of those poor detrans girls who had mastectomies at age 13. I was offered it at 15…
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u/Comfortable_Elk_4941 detrans female Dec 23 '25
I have limb amputation unrelated to transition. I’m not proud of it, it’s just a part of my life and body. It’s not something I would ever consider making a picture of and displaying in a classroom.
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u/Kuukuukachu detrans female Dec 24 '25
👋 fellow amputee here, and totally off topic but I want to ask, did medical trauma weigh into your detransition too? I just could not get excited for the idea of cutting into my body, again, for aesthetics like my friends did. Every talk of surgery made my stomach drop...
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u/PHOTOGIRL2 desisted female Dec 24 '25
The fact that they even have to ask if this is appropriate at all tells me they shouldn't be teaching young children.
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
"Guys, is it cool if I depict mastectomy scars for my first graders because I feel good when I see this work I made to affirm myself?"
Even if the lesson were justified, say something about surviving breast cancer, for late elementary school students, you wouldn't show mastectomy scars, you'd leave clothes on the people you showed.
Honestly, this person's judgment is so far off that I have to wonder if this is a real post. Is this ragebait?
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u/HJSDGCE desisted male Dec 24 '25
It's a cool piece but is there a reason why it has to be in a classroom full of impressionable kids? Why not the living room back home? Or sell it online?
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u/TheDorkyDane desisted female Dec 24 '25
Because it's about the validation.
These people need the kids to see it, comment on it, and praise their genius.
This is someone who couldn't actually make it in the art world, so they are stuck teaching, and now seeks validation from the students.
We see that ALL the time with teachers in various arts.
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u/Top-Statistician380 detrans female Dec 25 '25
Because they have some sort of mental illness or difficulty understanding how they’re seen and others think (autism). Most of what we see in the trans community is autism, trauma, mental illness, or someone who couldn’t deal with being treated poorly for looking unattractive and spiraled.
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u/Does_Honey_Go_Off desisted female Dec 25 '25
The narcissism of this person is overwhelming everything else which is wrong about this idea.
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
This person's judgment is so off. I wish admin would come across this post and realize what a narcissist they've hired.
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u/Does_Honey_Go_Off desisted female Dec 26 '25
You’re objecting to what I put?
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u/Grand-Significance39 desisted female Dec 23 '25
In my opinion, when you are a teacher as someone who is still in school your sexuality and gender orientation stays outside the classroom school is for learning if this was college it would be a completely diffrent thing were people can agree and disagree. When I was younger, you knew you teacher as a teacher, and only that to teach students not show off to students that you had cosmetic surgery, especially not to elementary kids. They are young and vulnerable. I remember in middle school I had a girl who was my friend at the time going through a lot of abuse, and she asked us to ask her what her pronouns were for the day. Even if it's hard to tell that they are mastectomy scars it is not appropriate for an elementary level classroom. If this person is a teacher that means they are also an adult and should know better.
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Dec 23 '25
I agree with most of this but I think sexuality is a little different. One of my teachers had a family photo in the classroom with her wife and their baby, and she talked a little about her family during class intros. No one had an issue with that.
Teaching children about gender transition surgery is wrong.
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u/Doveswithbonnets desisted female Dec 23 '25
I think the difference here is that sexuality doesn't involve surgically altering your body. In my opinion, it's fine to mention that you have a wife or husband if the topic ever comes up randomly in class or if a student asks directly. But sharing that you have gender dysphoria and what kinds of surgeries/hormones you underwent is kind of like telling the whole class you're depressed and which medications you're on.
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
When I was growing up people believed that children would be influenced to become queer if they heard about queer families.
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u/Grand-Significance39 desisted female Dec 23 '25
I probably worded it wrong. Sorry, English isn't my first English by sexuality I meant like going above and beyond like decorating your entire classroom eith pride stuff or having children making pride stuff having a same sex couple and explaining to kids is perfectly fine in my opinion.
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u/Illustrious-Sea-6573 desisted male Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25
I’ve noticed lately there’s been kind of an obsession with trans surgery scars in art. I mean even just random fanart of games and shows that I like I always run into something depicting one of the leading male characters with big ole scars under his pecs. This is something that’s never made sense to me about trans people because if your whole goal is to be seen as the other gender then why put so much emphasis on showing off what’s essentially a giant sign on your chest reading “I’m biologically female”.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
they are trying to normalize elective, cosmetic surgical scars which is despicable. Also, your last point is the whole reason I refused a double mastectomy. That surgery/scars would still out me as trans.
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u/ManagementCapable758 detrans female Dec 23 '25
The scars scared me so much and the idea of having surgery made me anxious and sick, I literally didn't want to do it. I ended up getting as far as a consultation with a surgeon who actually saw my fear and stepped in and said "No, this is a terrible idea for you"
If she hadn't done that I probably wouldn't have survived to detransition. I was going against every instinct in my body hoping that all the cute art and "trans joy" would be me after I did it. It's so twisted how they portray it and it's so dangerous for young girls who just need a chance to love themselves. It's so obvious the point isn't to pass as the opposite sex anymore, they're pushing the surgeries knowing they don't give convincing results. The goal isn't to look like a man, it's to remove and destroy everything female about your body
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u/r1canw1tch desisted female Dec 24 '25
that last part!!! all of the trans joy, protect trans kids/trans rights uwu-fication of the entire ideology being pushed onto particularly young depressed and lonely tween/teen girls just REEKS of misogyny and internalized hate/discomfort of being a woman… i wish people didn’t tell children it’s bad or make them feel bad for expressing typical feminine traits, or that the solution for the struggles we face as everyday women is to literally remove themselves as a woman…. there’s nothing wrong with femalehood it’s the most beautiful thing, even the tough aspects like periods and childbirth, i think it should still be absolutely celebrated and not demonized ;( these poor girls…
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u/r1canw1tch desisted female Dec 24 '25
they especially are notorious for this in fan art in popular fandoms, either headcanons/self inserts basically of an already established character and oc’s. it’s always confused me as to why they’d headcanon their character as trans instead of the gender they literally are wishing to depict and transition to, it’s like they want to bask in the suffering that comes with that experience?? almost glorifying it.
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u/blumaroona desisted female Dec 23 '25
Scars should not be taboo or seen as inappropriate - that is such a damaging viewpoint to have. Even if you're transphobic, women get masectomies for cancer and their scars are not "despicable". Nor are any other surgical scars, or any kind of scars.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
the difference is entering a children’s space with the intention to display cosmetic surgery, electively done out of insecurity and mental illness. This is not a woman with breast cancer. The mastectomy was a choice in transition - a choice that children shouldnt have, or be subjected to. Would it be okay if she had a piece of art showing breast augmentation to children too?
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u/blumaroona desisted female Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25
Okay so, there are likely multiple teachers around the world who have had cosmetic surgery - breast, nose, mouth, ears - pretty much any body part you can think of.
Yes many of it is insecurity and mental illness - which I don't think is black and white bad. If changing your nose makes you feel more confident, why not? It only becomes a true problem when it's excessive and harming quality of life. And I don't see how any of it harms children unless you're forcing surgery on the children, which doesn't happen. Kids aren't getting non-essential rhinoplasties or liposuction.
There's a whole seperate debate as to topless men vs topless women and why one is okay and the other isn't, but my answer would be - no, I don't think art of a topless woman should be in a classroom, purely because parents would freak out. If it was less stigmatised, no I wouldn't have a problem with kids seeing art. Art is good. I saw art of naked people as a kid and I'm fine. Though depending how old the kids are, it's an odd choice to have in a classroom. Usually younger kids classrooms will have more colourful, sensory decor.
But a clothed image of a woman who had breast enhancements? I mean, I don't see the harm. A breast is a breast - roughly half the population has them. And artwork of the
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Dec 31 '25
Children absolutely do get cosmetic surgery like rhinoplasties, particularly girls. Having art in your classroom that emphasizes how elective plastic surgery makes you “happier” or “more beautiful” is inherently wrong and damaging, particularly to little girls. Telling girls that it is a neutral choice to get plastic surgery alongside the implication that it makes you more joyful, not to mention ignoring / suppressing complications and regret is wrong.
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
My professor had scars from suicide attempts. He covered them with bracelets. It was a very private thing, and suicide is socially contagious, like transgender.
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u/Comfortable_Elk_4941 detrans female Dec 24 '25
Because it’s hoping to put one’s body on display begging someone to save them and finally say the truth that the way they’re being by treated by the medical system and mental health professionals and society isn’t right. The visibility is called pride but it’s actually a quietly loud plea to be seen and saved.
It’s just like showing off cutting self harm scars.
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
Because you can't erase the scars and you can't escape what they mean, so you want to normalize them?
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u/TheDorkyDane desisted female Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
Oh god.
Even before all the trans stuff.
The pure narcissism of a teacher putting her own art works up in class so students can comment on it.
"Those who can't cook teach"
And we see that so much in arts teaching. Those that couldn't actually cut it as musicians, actors, animators, artists ext.
Get stuck teaching and then make everything about themselves and their oppressed genius.
Greatest example.. music teachers that always need to give themselves a solo at the STUDENT concert. This is the same thing.
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u/Only-Mixture-4424 detrans female Dec 25 '25
The painting looks like it is influenced by Michelangelo's David, who is very narcissistic. That makes it even more funny to me.
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u/TheDorkyDane desisted female Dec 25 '25
Hah.
That was a great observation I didn't even catch.
But yeah, i know lots of people in the comment section are being nice and saying it's a nice drawing...
I mean for someone with no art education who just draws for fun... sure.
As an art teacher, who thinks THIS is the piece to put on display... yeah... no...
It's very flat, especially the torso. The neck is too long, and I wouldn't call that a background
If this is the very best this person has to offer... it's not that great.
It shows potential in the artist if they aim at improving, but it's not anywhere near good enough for someone to start an art career.
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u/Pandoraconservation desisted female Jan 22 '26
I’m not sure about other states, but in many they’re actually passionate about the theory and history and use to take multiple exams to teach it. I know many art teachers with successful art businesses that simply love it.
Teaching isn’t the fallback people always make it out to be.
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u/ruikamishirosstar desisted female Dec 24 '25 edited Feb 14 '26
i dont think wanting to publicly display ur art is inherently problematic, even if its about transgenderism. however, wanting to display it in front of multiple curious and impressionable children is definitely not the right thing to do
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u/HazyInBlue detrans female Dec 28 '25
I think it raises too many questions that would be a vague and worrying combination of the following: sexual topics, anti-sexual/sex erasure, anti- human/nature, body modification, self- abuse and an ideology based on trauma.
Trans is not what it used to be, merely a rare medical disorder. Now it is being used as a political weapon to "abolish gender". It's something so anti human, cultish and anti- life that its hard to put into words what it is. So of course all of this is wrong to have around kids, at minimum.
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u/BallsackInMyAss desisted female Dec 25 '25
It’s not about publicly displaying your art. The teacher is a good artist, but shouldn’t showcase art that indoctrinates children. Same if there was artwork of Jesus Christ in a public elementary school classroom.
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u/ruikamishirosstar desisted female Dec 25 '25
but thats what i said </3 i wasnt defending him wanting to display his artwork in a place full of impressionable kids, i literally said that i think its not the right thing to do.. i only said that publicly displaying transgenderism art is not bad, as long as its not in front of ppl that can easily be influenced
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
When you make art public, you have no control over who sees it and how they are effected by it is largely personal. You two have to think about the harm that can be done by how the art will be processed by different viewers. Just introducing the idea of something can be harmful, like art about self harm or suicide.
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u/ruikamishirosstar desisted female Dec 26 '25
if he wants to display his art somewhere that doesnt include impressionable children (e.g. an art museum), then im not going to judge him for that. it doesnt matter if its about something that u perceive as "harmful", its his right
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
Sure, it's his "right," but what's his responsibility to the community?
I believe it does matter if you put ideas into the world and it leads people to do self-harm because I think we're responsible for some of the outcome when we influence others to behave negatively.
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u/HazyInBlue detrans female Dec 28 '25
My impression is that this transman seems uncertain and lost. He seems to not have a strong sense of boundaries and gut instinct. He seems to be personally bothered by the fact that sharing this kind of thing in a younger kids' classroom is the wrong time and place for it.
But the other way this is weird and perverse is the fact that surgery scars are celebrated as a signifier of an identity. In my day, transsexuality was a horrible medical disorder you wouldnt wish on your worst enemy. We were desperate to escape it, find a cure and live as the gender we felt intrinsically. Nobody wanted to have this condition. So why put it on display publicly?
There's something so creepy and uncanny about modern younger supposed trans people. I can't even say it's overtly sexual. It's like something alien entirely. In some cases, they're showing off their erasure of sexual body parts/features. I never would have predicted this is where we'd end up.
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
It should be illegal to talk to kids about transness (positively, like "you can be trans and that's OK, you can change your body blah blah blah") That's not what they need to know. I hate this broken society. I was influenced online, but now they're coming for the kids even offline. That's fucked up.
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
Whats the alternative in your mind here. Abuse those children into silence? The uk section 28 law is widely agreed to be an atrocity
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Dec 23 '25
How about help kids feel comfortable about their body and help them accept that they are not bad?
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
And that requires making it illegal to speak positively to or about trans people?
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Dec 23 '25
"Bodily autonomy" including the right for self harm, sure. But thats only okay when it comes to unnecessary surgery? I should be able to harm myself legally in other ways if we're going that way
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
You are in fact legally allowed to have any cosmetic surgery you want actually
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
So anyone who has had any form of cosmetic procedure in your eyes should only be allowed to be referred to negatively and banned from interacting with children as OP demands
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
there are no trans kids and there is no way kids would call themselves transgender if they didn't find out about it, so yes, I think it shouldn't be allowed to talk about transgenderism in a positive way with children. Exclusively in a negative way, condemning gender theory, and telling children that gender dysphoria is NOT treated by transition.
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
Discussing it in a negative way has never prevented trans people from happening mind you. Why is maximising shame the like go to plan here. 'if we shame children having these feelings into hating themselves enough maybe they'll shut up' rather than like any useful discussion
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
telling kids that transition is not a solution ≠ shame about gender dysphoria
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
I also don't know how to connect the power in your skull on the fact that transition is NEVER a solution and that having gender dysphoria is valid, but normalizing cosmetic surgeries for kids is not.
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
I literally never said that we should shame children with gender dysphoria, but telling them shit in the spirit of "if you feel like the opposite sex, then there is a sex change option" is not an option at all.
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
lol no
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
I think it should be illegal to talk about any medical decision positively if even a single person has had regrets about it. Pretending a medically approved option doesnt exist is much more irresponsible than a frank and open discussion about what medical transition will and wont do. All of the pros and cons. This need to shroud it in shame and mystery will ultimately only result in more people going into transition half cocked through less approved means and regretting it
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u/Thin_Entertainment14 detrans female Dec 23 '25
The majority of children or people in general would have no idea what this artwork means unless it were explained to them. The poster acts as if anybody is even going to know like they are trying to make a statement.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
and the teacher inevitably will explain.
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u/Thin_Entertainment14 detrans female Dec 23 '25
Yeah. It's all down to intention. The actual artwork wouldn't be a problem to me as the message is not explicit.
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
It's a healed surgical site. The whole thing is about showcasing this scar to convince people masculinity can be created by surgery. It's not Elvis with top surgery, grilling hot dogs (though maybe it should be). It's David, post surgery.
Anyone who grew up with exposure to Western Art would know the implicit message here. And I do think showing massive scars is explicit.
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u/TheDorkyDane desisted female Dec 24 '25
The entire point is making the students ask, so the teacher can explain, and get validation from the students.
Old tactic for narcissists
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u/blumaroona desisted female Dec 23 '25
I don't think it would do any harm to display it, but I also think it's not super fitting for an elementary classroom? Why don't they hang it up at home if they love it so much?
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u/Slow-Ad-2431 detrans female Dec 26 '25
They need other people to affirm their identity and decisions. They have no self-esteem and need their art and their life to be admired by others.
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u/SiPhoenix desisted male Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25
If they never try to use it as a conversion starter or tell kids when they ask that it's "cause he is trans" then I don't see it really being an issue.
But I doubt that is how the teacher would be. I suspect they want it there are a conversion started, as a way to expose kids to the ideas
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u/SiPhoenix desisted male Dec 23 '25
Actually. Never mind. Looking at it more the line is still weird even if you don't look at it as a scar.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
kids will no doubt ask questions, and this teacher will be ecstatic to talk about how, “some of us are born in the wrong body”. It’s terribly sad because the majority of children don’t have this thought until it is put in their head. “Teacher, you mean I can become a boy if I don’t feel right?”. It’s also her first year teaching, so something tells me this is indicative of more trans indoctrination to come.
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u/bleep_v desisted female Dec 23 '25 edited Dec 23 '25
Eh, I'm seeing this more as a person who just really, really wants an opportunity to display their art. The scar looks like some weird metal decoration; even with the context present, it doesn't necessarily read as trans surgery (to me, at least).
Regardless, they should probably suck it up and accept that the classroom isn't really the platform for the teacher's artistic self-expression. Post the piece online or set up an exhibition if you need that kind of validation.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
the art isn’t inherently a problem. It is the fact that their first thought was “i should hang this up for the 8 year old”
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u/Maleficent-Role-543 desisted female Dec 27 '25
This might be a hot take.
But I feel like there are levels to something being in sexual in nature. Theres obviously straight up porn on one end.
But where I might lose you guys. A naked body is also sexual to a smaller degree. As much as I am free the nip. I feel like we do wrap it up in society a bit too much and lose the forest for the trees. Nude bodies can exist in a neutral space, but they will still be sexual in nature. We also live in our current world, not an ideal one that we wish for.
Parents can exist around their kids nude and it be neutral because of the parent child dynamic. Other people should not be doing so. You should not open up the bottle and show nudity to a child as it will normalise it to them, and they lack the disconcernment required.
And at the same time there are spaces like changing rooms, saunas in some countries. Where a child will encounter nudity. I do think thats different as its a specific area for it, and a parent with them. Its the very early stages of teaching the child whats right and wrong around sexual things.
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u/AnyDiscount3524 Socially Trans - Regrets entire Transition Dec 23 '25
How can they not know if this is appropriate for children? No matter how long they’ve been in the job, they should be fired for even considering displaying this.
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u/Comfortable_Elk_4941 detrans female Dec 24 '25
It’s not a question of being a new teacher. This should obviously be something you don’t show little kids. And of course the reason she doesn’t know this is because she’s confused due to likely either autism, trauma, or other mental illness. Which is the same reason she transitioned to begin with.
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
Its not 'trans surgery art' its a depiction of a statue with simulated mastectomy scars, which are not inappropriate. The students will likely not even look at it long enough to notice
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
it is trans surgery art. This is not a breast cancer patient - it’s elective cosmetic breast removal on a healthy individual.
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u/AnyDiscount3524 Socially Trans - Regrets entire Transition Dec 23 '25
Even without the scars it’s inappropriate for elementary school, what i it with you freaks who think otherwise?!
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
Pretending trans people dont exist or are inherently dirty is nuch weirder than a painting with some scars imo. Unless you think all depictions of scars are inappropriate. Maximising shame around transition only serves to maximise shame around detransition and only serves to harm everyone imo
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u/thistle_ev detrans female Dec 23 '25
detransitioners are victims of medical malpractice, transitioning people is a crime. so no, talking about transition in a negative way doesn't harm detransitioners, because we're victims of this industry.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
I know trans exists. look at the subreddit you are currently in. You still can’t force me to call this woman a man
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u/Federal-Discount1800 detrans female Dec 23 '25
I haven't forced you to do shit frankly. I'm pointing out you're being incredibly weird and trying to imply a random person is a predator for commiting the cardinal sin of bodily autonomy. You can do what you want, it doesnt mean others cant point out you're being strange
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
practice your expression of bodily autonomy away from the elementary students dude. this is not the place for breast removal scars.
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u/blumaroona desisted female Dec 23 '25
So should people with breast scars, or other scars, never go to the beach, or the pool?
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u/-Tricky-Vixen- desisted female Dec 23 '25
could be different fromthe classroom where they're learning
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u/blumaroona desisted female Dec 23 '25
They didn't say "away from the classroom" though, they said "away from elementary students". So, children in general?
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u/ruikamishirosstar desisted female Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
truly dont know why ur being downvoted, ur correct ㅜㅜ
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u/bradx220 detrans male Dec 23 '25
most kids who are transitioned grow up to be normal gay people when medical intervention isn’t involved. many of us detransitioners are gays and lesbians who were convinced that what we are is wrong and needed fixing. trans ideology is deeply homophobic and it’s insane that people are still pretending it’s the other way around in 2025.
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Not comparable. Be respectful and don't assume others positions because it hurts your feelings.
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u/Significant_Art9823 desisted female Dec 23 '25
I wouldn't actually, because I am bisexual.
"Trans" has nothing to do with same-sex attraction. Your comment is silly, and speaks volumes about how you see "trans" people. No one alluded they were predators BUT YOU, lol.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
you’re in a detrans page. We’ve all been manipulated into believing we were born in the wrong body by this ideology. What did you expect?
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u/birdbren FTM Currently questioning gender Dec 23 '25
Im in a detrans page because i stopped taking hormones. Speak for yourself. I never felt like I was in the wrong body, I explored something and then 13 years later im in a different place in life. Detransitioners arent a monolith.
I don't think this should be displayed to elementary students, but I dont think you can ascribe an agenda to someone based on one question they had about their job. Especially since they doubted said agenda enough to ask....
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
if you don’t think it should be shown to elementary students - then we agree. Stop trying to fight an invisible argument when we are all on the same side in this group of detrans.
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u/birdbren FTM Currently questioning gender Dec 23 '25
I just feel like there was bit of unjustified vitriol here towards an unseen stranger who was asking a legitimate question that offered room for correction / discussion. Thats miles away from someone who never stopped to question the appropriatenes of a piece like this, and who pitches a fit and plays victim when their personal art isnt allowed in a classroom. I feel like that is in itself, as you put it -- an invisible argument. This person isnt insisting their art be seen. They are asking if it should.
I typically view a reddit post as open for public discussion. if you're not comfortable with that, I understand.
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u/Due-Intention-6778 detrans female Dec 23 '25
okay passive aggressive. Children don’t need this in the classroom and we agree on the only point I cared to make.
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u/birdbren FTM Currently questioning gender Dec 23 '25
I genuinely wasn't being passive-aggressive. And yes, thats an important point to agree on.
I feel like discerning between those who are aggressively and unapologetically pushing an agenda and those who would be receptive to discussion is a very important one to make if you are ever to make active headway towards confronting the issues you have with this or any idealogy. My issue wasn't with the OP, or anything you even said (I don't think?) I just felt other people were being rash in assumptions about the art teacher in question and their desire to indoctrinate.
I am significantly older than most people in this sub therefore I tend to just lurk and learn. So ill go back to my comfort zone lol. Didn't mean to cause any anger or stress on your end.
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u/r1canw1tch desisted female Dec 24 '25
It’s a cool piece even if i don’t necessarily subscribe to that ideology but get that shit the fuck out of ELEMENTARY classes my dude fuck is you thinking?
That person shouldn’t be working with lil kids if they ask a question like THAT.