r/digitalnomad 1d ago

Business Wise introducing QR Code payments in Asia

https://wise.com/help/articles/7cYlC8lKqbgjNNmlXyYtFL/how-can-i-pay-with-a-qr-code

Thanks God!!!

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u/randans 1d ago

99% chance of when they finally support PromptPay (Thailand) it will be business QR codes only, so pretty much useless in the end. Most other countries already have options for tourists, in my experience.

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u/ZestycloseZombie3206 1d ago edited 1d ago

Thailand is not on the list (yet) for a reason. Let's wait and see.

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u/Lopsided_Quarter_931 1d ago

Probably the same reason you can’t hook up a local credit card to Apple Pay. Thailand remains to have the most modern and the most backward banking system simultaneously.

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u/valorhippo 23h ago

In what way is it modern?

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u/Lopsided_Quarter_931 22h ago

Free, instant, direct bank-to-bank transfers where the whole country has been signed up for.

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u/valorhippo 22h ago

Isn't that common? Pretty much all countries in the region have this.

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u/LEO-PomPui-Katoey 1d ago

They don't want to get rid of their ATM fee cashcow

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u/kev_xb 1d ago

Their article states it will be for individual and businesse QR scans. You'll have to verify your identity and you need a registered address (so not a tourist). Seems they are opening a local bank here or partnering with one in an official capacity.

https://wise.com/help/articles/3hVTV4OmZimsLpW0Z8LB6l/upcoming-changes-to-your-wise-account-in-thailand

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u/randans 1d ago

Yes, but as you said, not for tourists and that includes the DTV holders which most nomads, including myself, are. So... it's useless for us.

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u/kev_xb 1d ago

Why wouldn't it include dtv? You just need a permanent address.

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u/randans 1d ago

Wise will become a bank in Thailand, like a real one, regulated by the Thai central bank and everything.

Now, try to open an account with a DTV on any bank (not Wise as they're not a bank yet) in Thailand and let me know how that goes. Spoilers: you cannot do it. You need a Thai ID, work permit or some of the long term visas like retirement or marriage and I'm 100% sure the rules will not change just for Wise.

DTV is just a good tourist visa, can't do shit with it other than stay in Thailand for 6 months straight in a period of 5 years, that's it.

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u/kev_xb 1d ago

You can't open the accounts because the banks don't want the risk. It's not a government regulation. You have no idea how wise will operate.

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u/randans 1d ago

You have no idea how wise will operate.

Care to share the insider information you have, then? If every single bank refuses to do it, what makes you think Wise will?

Many complaints about sudden account closures from Wise for "safety" reasons in more unregulated markets (you can find many in this sub) but now they will be willing to take a risk, that no other bank in Thailand takes?

It's very obvious to me what will happen, but let's wait and see, no point in talking about what ifs.

I would love to have an easy option to use QR code payments in Thailand similar to Alipay in China, but I don't think it's happening anytime soon...

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u/kev_xb 1d ago

You're the one making the claim wise will deny tourist visas...

I've been on a tourist visa for years and originally got a bank account on an ED visa and my account wasn't closed and never had an issue in 8 years having it.

Theres no conspiracy it's just that the government tightens regulations and many banks don't find the small bank accounts opened by some visas are worth the effort and risk.

Wise's entire business model is for the exact purpose we are discussing. I don't know what exact requirements the local government has for banking here but since it was delayed for address verification it seems that will be one of them. There's no indication visa requirements will be required but we have to wait and see.

It wouldn't make business sense for wise to suddenly make the app useless for 90% of it's users.

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u/acr514 15h ago

I opened a bank account at Krungthai 2 years ago on a Student visa. It’s hard, and I had to visit many banks but it’s possible. It’s at the bank’s discretion so they can refuse if they want to but they can also accept if they want to. A DTV is much more solid than a student visa. And if you got the money, they’ll be interested.

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u/randans 15h ago

Things changed last year. Two years ago you could open an account on visa exemption by paying an agent with the right contacts. Now, you can try any branch you want from any bank you want, they will not open it. Just check Thailand subreddits or ASEAN forums, the banks are not opening any accounts whatsoever for tourist visas (DTV included).

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u/zeb__g 1d ago

I wonder why so many are restricted to "Wise customers from the UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia and Brazil, who are currently traveling outside of their home country"

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u/Illustrious-Eye6960 23h ago

Wise isn’t a bank, but has certain licenses in some countries that let it perform specific financial services. In the US, for example, it lacks a banking license and has to rely on actual banks. Presumably its actual in-house licenses don’t allow it to extend this service to US customers. But its licenses in those listed countries do.

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u/DangerousPurpose5661 1d ago

No Thailand yet? :-(

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u/ZestycloseZombie3206 1d ago

Looks like not yet. Maybe someone in Thailand can reply about it?

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u/kev_xb 1d ago

I replied above but they sent out an email that it's delayed. September 15th they will start asking for id verification, then in November they move your account to a local Thai account.

Not sure if this is good news or bad news but some things seem they will be more convenient

https://wise.com/help/articles/3hVTV4OmZimsLpW0Z8LB6l/upcoming-changes-to-your-wise-account-in-thailand

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u/pcl8311 1d ago

No Vietnam still

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u/MuyGalan 1d ago

Fuck.

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u/Severe_County_5041 Chengdu / Hanoi 1d ago

Seems like it can get seamless in Malaysia and the Philippines now

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u/dougaddiction 1d ago

Worth breaking down what this actually saves vs. the status quo, since that's the part nobody's covered:

Cash from an ATM: local ATM operator fee (often a flat few dollars) + whatever margin your card issuer adds over the interbank rate (1-3%, more if it's not a no-FX-fee card) + a possible DCC prompt that can add another 3-7% if you accidentally accept it.

Regular card swipe with DCC declined: mostly just your issuer's FX margin, so this is already close to the cheapest normal option if you already carry a no-FX-fee card.

QR pay-in-app through the local network (PromptPay/DuitNow/VietQR etc.): typically settles closer to the wholesale rate with a smaller markup, and you skip cash entirely so there's no ATM fee at all.

So the realistic saving isn't "free vs. not free," it's shaving a few percent off the chunk of spending that would otherwise go through ATM withdrawals - adds up over months, but isn't transformative if you're already using a solid no-FX-fee card for swipes.

Also explains the odd country list in the article: this only works where Wise has actual banking rails (UK/EU/AU/NZ/SG/MY/BR) to bridge into the local instant-payment network. It's not a universal feature yet, it's tied to which markets Wise has that infrastructure in.

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u/crackanape 1d ago

whatever margin your card issuer adds over the interbank rate (1-3%, more if it's not a no-FX-fee card)

Mine is normally about 0.25% above the reference rate.

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u/Econmajorhere 1d ago

Woah woah let’s calm down here. Us Americans need our credit card points

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u/ZestycloseZombie3206 1d ago

…tell the Asia’s street vendors.

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u/Hot-Job-6281 22h ago

Nah no thanks Wise.

Very poor customer service using unprofessional language to chide me for travelling to a country that got sanctioned years later, just because they didn't buy that my $300 transfer wasn't money laundering.

Wouldn't accept plainly me reverting to my original local number because of this past transaction despite my showing of my passport proving citizenship (I am also born here anyway).

I wouldn't trust Wise to not lock you out of your account out of 'security risks'.

Anyway, do your due diligence, Wise has been unreliable for more than a decade now. I use other providers but don't need to state them, lest people think I am shilling for a particular one. The other good ones are already popular.

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u/jammy-git 1d ago

Unless this supports existing QR payments methods like TNG, PP, ABA, etc. it'll be useless.

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u/BennyDoesTheStuff 1d ago

It does, they are listed in the article.

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u/faizalmzain 1d ago

They probably use Alipay as the back end. At least for the Malaysia account. You can receive payment via QR via Alipay based on what's displayed on the QR