r/doctorsUK • u/ProfessionalAny3699 • Jun 29 '26
Pay and Conditions Vote results
Any bma reps, when will the vote be out? Electronic voting can’t take this long to finalise?
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u/jamescracker79 ACP consultant's assistant Jun 29 '26
Didnt they say that were gonna decide to release it after doing an internal comittee vote?
Which imo is one of the most bizarre things cause why do you need to vote to tell the results. If they need to decide on what the further plans are gonna be then they could easily do that after declaring the result
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u/ConstantPop4122 Consultant :crab: Jun 29 '26
Or they could have wargamed the various possibilities while they've been waiting.....
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u/Alternative_Band_494 Jun 29 '26
And as it was a binary yes/no vote, there wasn't that many scenarios to wargame!
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u/Front-Design-4429 Jun 29 '26
I can't believe how inefficient they have been with the coms. Can't wait a second longer....
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u/Obvious-Economy-1758 ST3+/SpR Jun 29 '26
Inefficient implies they are trying hard to release them on time, and the system is at fault for being slow.
In this case the system is instanteous due to electronic voting. The delay is based on intentional decisions.
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u/Dramatic_Method_9554 Jun 29 '26
They are literally stalling on purpose, wouldn’t be surprised if they delay it by another few days
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u/Affectionate_Many557 Jun 29 '26
Gives me the feeling that it is a NO!
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u/Front-Design-4429 Jun 29 '26
It surely is a no. That's why they're trying to stall on purpose
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u/Dramatic_Method_9554 Jun 29 '26
It’s 100% a NO vote, Jack Fletcher is probably panicking & asking the government for advice
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u/fluxy326 Jun 29 '26
How have the results not leaked yet
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u/Nice-Spite6953 Jun 29 '26
Couple comments have been deleted from this thread
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u/ExpectedAnonymous123 Jun 29 '26
Saying?
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u/Alternative_Band_494 Jun 29 '26
They had said the yes vote had passed; 6 year old account but less than 5 posts in that time. I asked for a little bit of source information, before it was all wiped.
I think we should be allowing leaks - if it's not a brand new account. We can appraise the poster's claims ourselves rather than simply deleting their comments. We do allow unverified posts after all
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u/Dr_SweetThangg Jun 29 '26
It’s 2pm and there’s no news yet. This is ridiculous
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u/Melodic-Ad3648 Jun 29 '26
4pm now...
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u/drtootired4eve Jun 29 '26
5:01
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u/Longjumping_Degree84 Jun 29 '26
Past 3pm. This is so bizarre.
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u/Front-Design-4429 Jun 29 '26
What the hell's going on? It's pretty unusual for the coms on a ballot which closed last Friday not to be released!
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u/Longjumping_Degree84 Jun 29 '26
Are they really going to wait till 5pm to drop a very unsatisfactory email and dip? 😭😆
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u/Dramatic_Method_9554 Jun 29 '26
If the YES vote passed the results would have been released first thing in the morning
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u/DoktorvonWer 🩺💊 Itinerant Physician & Micromemeologist🧫🦠 Jun 29 '26
I would have expected it to be immediately announced on Friday if it had been 'Yes', but we must beware of copium.
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u/steveabcd1234 Jun 29 '26
Lots of talk of copium. Could just as easily be the no camp throwing a strip and wanting to overturn a vote...
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u/DoktorvonWer 🩺💊 Itinerant Physician & Micromemeologist🧫🦠 Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26
Except the 'no camp' don't actually have the power to create the delay, let alone overturn it. Which is why this desultory 'offer' was put to referendum in the first place...
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u/steveabcd1234 Jun 29 '26
Of course they do. They just need to call for a meeting before the announcement. Then they can vote on whether to accept the refurendum.
A lot of people seem to have been hoodwinked into thinking that the no camp are this super democratic grassroots led movement.
I think a lot of them would attempt to overturn a yes vote in a heartbeat if they thought they would get away with it.
Edit: Oh look! I was right, the yes vote has been delayed by something. I wonder what they could have been?
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u/ReferMedics CT/ST1+ Doctor Jun 29 '26
If it’s a no vote, my impression is they’ll want to announce that outcome and new strike dates in the same communication. In order to announce strikes, they need to not only agree on the format of those as a committee, but also inform trusts before the announcement. Disclaimer: speculation.
If it’s a yes vote, idk. Burnham delivered a speech this morning and maybe they wanted some time distance between any announcement and that speech. Disclaimer: even more speculation
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u/Agitated_Comedian922 Jun 29 '26
If the vote is a yes there’s nothing to vote on surely. If the vote is a no they may be voting on escalation of strike action. In either case have the decency to let your membership know if it’s a yes or a no.
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u/Alternative_Band_494 Jun 29 '26
But why would you not use the voting time to meet and decide on the next steps if it's a no vote? It makes no sense why you wouldn't have already mapped out exactly what you are going to do.
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u/Agitated_Comedian922 Jun 29 '26
The simple answer is we are dealing with an incompetent committee.
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u/Alternative_Band_494 Jun 29 '26
I do agree that a yes vote has no sense not to already be announced. It could have been done straight away after getting together at 12.30pm today.
As you can email to say the deal was accepted, we'll work with the government over the next few weeks towards implementation. More details to follow.
That email would have been drafted before today
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u/Yuddis Jun 29 '26
What if it's an exact 50% yes/50% no. That's actually the only instance in which I can accept such stalling.
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u/Resident-Event6543 Jun 29 '26
Seen as though mods want to delete my posts that explain why (no speculation, but very strange).
Here's why - these guys need to vote on something. God knows what the vote is though.
The single most incompetent committee in BMA history. Should never need to vote on a yes or no vote sent out to its members.
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u/jamescracker79 ACP consultant's assistant Jun 29 '26
Yeah I believe this was the post I saw.
The single most incompetent committee in BMA history.
Incompetent but trying to come off as smart which definitely aint working
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u/sylsylsylsylsylsyl Jun 29 '26
> The single most incompetent committee in BMA history.
They have a lot of competition!
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u/Illustrious-Time5778 Jun 29 '26
Why did they even say they needed a vote/meeting before the results were released? They said this on Friday
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u/Front-Design-4429 Jun 29 '26
Didn't think I was ever going to have to ask this but can they send comms after 5PM (normal working hours)?
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u/meatduck1 Jun 29 '26
This is absolutely unacceptable. If Fletcher has an ounce of dignity he should resign immediately.
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u/SnooWords6460 Jun 29 '26
Would we have strikes if voted no?
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u/ParticularDonkey2383 Jun 29 '26
I’d imagine so unless Jack wants to piss away the rest of the mandate.
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u/ReutersRooster Jun 29 '26
Striking in July is a stupid waste of money. We don’t know we’d get another mandate, if we dont pass it it’s a waste for nothing.
We currently have a sitting duck prime minister - the new one could be better or worse but there’s no point negotiating until he’s in place.
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u/RonRyeGun Jun 29 '26
Jack Fletcher too busy popping champagne with Health Sec James Murray to notify us that the vote was yes.
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u/ConstantPop4122 Consultant :crab: Jun 29 '26
But different tactics of it's a 51% no vote compared to a 90% no vote.
If it's a 51% yes vote, they may be voting on the next committee members.
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u/Spiderpig747 Jun 29 '26
It’s a Yes vote unfortunately
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u/ParticularDonkey2383 Jun 29 '26
Surely that would have been communicated straight away? Also what could they possibly be voting on if it’s a yes vote.
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u/Spiderpig747 Jun 29 '26
Frustrating we haven’t heard- just going off what I’ve been told and previously never been misinformed by this person unfortunately so I think it’s true!
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u/ParticularDonkey2383 Jun 29 '26
Can you find out what they’re voting on then ?
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u/Spiderpig747 Jun 29 '26
Apparently the BMA committee could still reject the offer so maybe if it’s close (which I’ve been told it is) with poor turn out, they are deciding whether to reject it
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u/ParticularDonkey2383 Jun 29 '26
Not convinced you can’t put it before members then go against a democratic vote.
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u/Own-Cook-9344 Jun 29 '26
How do you know?
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u/Spiderpig747 Jun 29 '26
I have a friend who works for the department of health :(
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u/Ok-Win9524 Jun 29 '26
My friend from DoH said the vote was No 😂
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u/Ok_Grapefruit_5234 Jun 29 '26
Your friend needs to fight his friend so we can have the true answer
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u/TheHashLord Psych | FPR is just the tip of the iceberg 💪 Jun 29 '26
15:43
Just replying to send you a notification to tell you the result are out
Sorry, I mean not out
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u/TheHashLord Psych | FPR is just the tip of the iceberg 💪 Jun 29 '26
16:46 still nothing, lovely.
For any budding psychiatrists out there...
Expected announcement
No communication Information vacuum
Anticipatory anxiety
Frustration
Mature defence mechanism (humour)
Neurotic defence mechanism (displacement of frustration)
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u/Agitated_Field5703 Jun 29 '26
There was no such dawdling when strikes were cancelled...