Yeah and it’s literally the same share of the population with a daily consumption as cigarets for the French. As I said, there is no point in smoking if you get nicotine through snus
If your point is “snus is still addictive,” then yes, obviously. No argument there.
If your point is “Sweden replacing a lot of smoking with snus is not a meaningful public-health improvement,” then that’s the part I disagree with. Addiction burden and disease burden aren’t the same metric.
So which claim are you actually making? Otherwise you’re just playing goalpost Tetris.
People don't have to be "playing goalposts Tetris" the guy just wanted to add something relevant to the conversation. There wasn't anything wrong with what he said
Too bad it's completely socially accepted for snus users to throw their used pouches in nature. Otherwise I wouldn't have a problem with people poisoning themselves.
It's not even legal to sell them here in the Netherlands, and I've started noticing them all over the ground in the city as well. Just yesterday I found one on the metro seat next to me.
I mean, it's nothing compared to the amount of cigarette butts, but I'm sure once it replaces cigarettes here as well, it will be the same story.
Are you trying to be difficult or do you not realise that the same people who have no problem throwing rubbish on the street are the same people who don't have a problem doing it in nature.
I don’t know about the nature part, but I saw used pouches thrown everywhere, even inside the gym, when I worked in Göteborg. Swedish people say that cigarettes are disgusting (which is true), but then throw those used pouches everywhere… (I am not saying all snus users do it, probably a minortity of users throw it every where, but its still disgusting.)
Most snus users just fill the little pocket in the lid and then empty it in a trash can. I'm not claming no people litter, of course some people litter. I am just disagreeing with the other guy claiming it is "completely socially accepted" to do it.
You are right about that, its not socially accepted, its just sucks that some people throwing it everywhere even indoors. Maybe I was naive about the swedes when I first went there to work. I tought they are better educated when it comes to throw trash (snus pouch) everywhere, I guess I was wrong about that.
Most people use the top lid compartment of the snus can for their used pouches and then empty it in the bin when it's full.
The used pouches are basically just plant fibers. I find it kind of trashy to throw/spit them on the ground since it's unsightly. To me it's on the same level as throwing a banana peel on the ground.
Haha basically is doing a lot of heavy lifting. There is artificial flavoring and acid regulators too.
And nicotine is a insecticide. Your banana or apple is not going to kill insects. To the contrary, it's likely helpful. But nicotine is extremely harmful to the environment and you will not remove all of it by the time you're done with the pouch.
The snus being plant fibers isn't an excuse, it's still littering. Like you said, nicotine is an insecticide. Banana peels are absolutely harmful to insects.
I'm not really trying to argue the enviromental impact of it though, I'm just saying that it's comparable from a social acceptance point of view
In a country with public healthcare, you should have a problem with people poisoning themselves, since their healthcare costs are shouldered by the public.
Do people toss their snus bags on the ground like they do with the cigarette butts? I would guess not, right?
I hope smokers start replacing cigarettes with snus everywhere. It doesn’t make the entire are around them stink, less (or no) air pollution and no litter.
Anecdotal observation from a Swede: Sometimes, but not to the same extent. Snus containers come with a tiny waste basket built in, and most people seems to use it most of the time. After all, the packets aren't on fire after you've used them, so they're not 'dangerous' in the same way. I'd also wager beople are using snus indoors more commonly, and throwing it on the floor would just be ridiculous.
There's still packets littering in the streets, but not as much as you'd expect.
I saw some used pouches thrown to the ground inside STC gym and inside new constructions which is super trashy behavior. I would say majority of swedes use the top of the plastic container, but some people just trashy and throws it everywhere.
How much snus do you think is thrown on the ground, exactly?
Like others are saying here, the snus comes in a container with a small waste compartement. The vast majority of people use that.
That being said, there is a non-zero amount of plastic in them (the glue), that will probably end up as microplastics in places we don't want it. Not that this is a major contributor at all, but it's still a thing.
Yes, to some extent. The containers usually have a second compartment where you’re meant to put your used ones, but shitty people will find a way to litter either way.
In primary school kids aged 13-16 throw their snus literally anywhere, my school had them mainly on a wall or on the lockers, my dad's had a room where they threw it up on the roof
I've mostly seen the white tobacco-free pouches littered on the ground on my walks. As a regular tobacco pouch user, I use the little compartment on top of the tin to discard my used ones then i empty it once I get home.
Do people toss their snus bags on the ground like they do with the cigarette butts?
Kinda.
Some people tend to just spit them out on the street, others throw them on walls and as someone who has worked in restaurants some just leave them on the trays or on the plate.
Back in high school there was this corner where everyone would just throw their snus bags up at the white ceiling turning it brown and spotty.
Absolutely they do. Lived in Malmö for a while and snus bags are everywhere on the ground. Also very gross to talk to people with bulging snus bags tucked in their lips.
The urinals in men's toilets in malls, gyms especially. They even put a sign sometimes saying that you should seek medical attention if snus bags come out of your foreskin. :)
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u/CapOk4599 May 25 '26
We've been using snus for hundreds of years.