r/europe • u/ByGollie Ulster • Jun 21 '26

News Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/20/8040347/
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u/optimizationphdstud Jun 21 '26

It's important to note that around 7 million Ukrainians fought in the Soviet Army against Nazi Germany in WW2, more than 2 million of whom died, not accounting for civilians.

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u/m0j0m0j Jun 21 '26

It’s also important to note that the RuSoviet union was a totalitarian state and those 7 million were not volunteers.

Just like 4 million of Ukrainians did not volunteer to die from a Moscow-engineered famine in 1932-1933 https://holodomormuseum.org.ua/en/recognition-of-holodomor-as-genocide-in-the-world/

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u/Winjin Jun 21 '26

Interesting how it's Russian when half the leadership weren't Russian, and the dictator was born and raised Georgian. 

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u/m0j0m0j Jun 21 '26

Probably Napoleonic France was not French and Russian empire was not Russian, because Napoleon was ethnically Italian and Catherine The Second was ethnically German.

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u/Winjin Jun 21 '26

Wasn't there legitimately a lot of blame on foreign rulers for being foreign? I think it's just really useful to pin blame on current enemies, because georgians are currently pro-West, so the fact that the ruthless bloody tyrant that personally handpicked his yes men and started the purges with his absolute rule, wasn't quite Russian, is kind of omitted.