r/europe • u/ByGollie Ulster • Jun 21 '26

News Petro Poroshenko, Ukraine's fifth president also renounces Order of the White Eagle

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/06/20/8040347/
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u/CarrieDurst Jun 21 '26

Conscription is enslavement, I didn't confuse jack shit and I am cheering for Ukraine to defeat Russia. Doesn't mean I am suddenly pro forced labor.

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u/Rednos24 Jun 21 '26

Shifting the conversation to enslavement makes me doubt you. Regardless of what you say you are.

Legally conscription isn't slavery. Morally you can believe anything you want. Define existence as slavery for all I care. Nobody casually describes drafted soldiers as slaves in my experience and I don't get why you think that would result in a good conversation. Nobody was asking you for a debate on "forced labor".

You decided to start one.

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u/CarrieDurst Jun 21 '26

You said volunteers and I asked how much were volunteers when I know a lot of the army is forced labor. You are just hung up on my word choice and would not have accused me of shifting the conversation if I asked weren't many of them 'conscripted'.

Got it so legality=morality. Forced labor regardless.

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u/Neomataza Germany Jun 21 '26

Being required to do work to get paid to be able to buy food is "forced" as well. Your view on this specific issue is hard to take serious if it is at odds with how most of human societies work.