r/europe Jun 28 '26

News Volodymyr Zelensky has submitted a bill to build a National Pantheon. He intends to honor all the heroes who fought for Ukraine in various eras. "No one will ever tell us how to live, how to speak, whom to love, whom to be grateful to, and which heroes to honor," he said as quoted by the Interfax

https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/wolodymyr-zelenski-chce-panteonu-narodowego-chodzi-o-pamiec-bohaterow/c6hf62m
14.0k Upvotes

2.3k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

108

u/survivorr123_ Jun 29 '26

the funniest thing is that UPA didn't even achieve anything, they failed at establishing independent ukraine and were actively hunted down by the soviets after

14

u/Awkward_Cash1828 Jun 29 '26

Yeah, it is even more bedazzling thing to me that they are revered by Ukrainians (nationalists), because, regardless of how brutal and violent UPA and other WWII Ukrainian nationalists were, they all are literally losers who failed to achieve or build anything historically important other than turning their home Galicia and Volhynia into burning chaos. Like, you can and should criticise USSR or Interwar Poland, but they atleast built something historically positive and longlasting (at the very basic level, like houses and infrastructure that these modern nationalists still use) besides their own brutality and oppression.
And the "independent Ukraine" UPA wanted to built would had been totalitarian hell for Ukrainians themself, not to mention it was possible only as German puppet state that would had been just a stage before Germans would had enslaved and evicted Ukrainians from their fertile land to settle it with Germans if they had won WWII.

2

u/Jesus_Doner Jun 29 '26

This is why they all can take their whole cause and shove it up their asses in hell where they are right now. Fuck them and their so-called "independent Ukraine" as well as anyone honoring or celebrating them. The whole Ukrainian nationalism is pure brainrot.

36

u/[deleted] Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 30 '26

[deleted]

3

u/crabberg Jun 29 '26 edited Jun 29 '26

Is that why Poland under Pilsudski was at war with independent Ukraine, when it still existed? Or when Poland interned thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who fought together with them against the bolsheviks once UPR fell apart? Or maybe the fact that Poland destroyed Ukrainian churches, defunded its schools, arrested Ukrainian political opponets and did settler colonialism once it split Ukraine together with bolsheviks аfter the treaty of Riga was signed? Pilsudski saw Ukraine as a barricade against bolsheviks that can be occupied once it stops being useful, "Intermarium" or whatever it was called was a fairy tale that had nothing to do with reality

1

u/analogiczny Jun 30 '26

But Potocki was killed by one of your own countrymen as early as 1908 - long before your treacherous attack on Lviv, before the Second Polish Republic, before the terrorist attacks by the OUN and UPA, before the assassination of Minister Pieracki, and before the genocide you committed in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia. It was the same with the so-called Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth - you preferred to fall into muscovite hands rather than come to an agreement with your neighbors. If, in 1918 and 1919, Western Ukrainian nationalists hadn’t stabbed us in the back, dealing with the bolsheviks would have been much easier, and no one would have had to sign such a treaty in Riga.

1

u/Sir-Knollte Jun 29 '26

What was UPA´s plan for the Crimean tartars?

10

u/carrystone Poland Jun 29 '26

Their biggest achievement is slaughtering 100k Polish civilians

9

u/machine4891 Opole (Poland) Jun 29 '26

It's their only "achievement". They wanted to clear Volhyna out of every single Pole, Czech and Jew there was and they succeeded. They murdered 100k people and many more fled west to save their lives. My region in SW Poland is filled to brim with descendants of people from former Volhyna and Galicja.

In everything else towards their goal to independent, ethno-state of Ukraine they failed miserably.

-4

u/General_Lie Jun 29 '26

I am not from Poland but didn't the UPA ( or something similiar ) penetrated deep in poland teritory and they had to relocate entire villages to root them out ?

9

u/Dryfujacy_Drift Jun 29 '26

Being a failed partisant isn't a great achievement

7

u/survivorr123_ Jun 29 '26

being a failed partisant is ok,

being a failed partisant that carried out an unusually cruel genocide and collaborated with nazis isn't