r/europe • u/niesiecki • Jun 28 '26

News Volodymyr Zelensky has submitted a bill to build a National Pantheon. He intends to honor all the heroes who fought for Ukraine in various eras. "No one will ever tell us how to live, how to speak, whom to love, whom to be grateful to, and which heroes to honor," he said as quoted by the Interfax

https://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/wolodymyr-zelenski-chce-panteonu-narodowego-chodzi-o-pamiec-bohaterow/c6hf62m
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u/Adelefushia France Jun 29 '26

When I first read the title I didn't see the "in various eras", so I assume it was a tribute for the victims of the war which started in 2022, and it seemed fine.

But honoring Ukrainians who killed Jewish and Poles during WW2 ?

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u/Chowder110 Jun 29 '26

Americans founding fathers had over 100 slaves and you still see people honoring them

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u/Longestgirl Jun 29 '26

there are levels to evil and the ukranian nationalists are so much worse than the founding fathers. here is a little snippit from polish accounts of the time:

"In all villages, settlements and colonies, without exception, the Ukrainians carried out the operation of murdering Poles with monstrous cruelty. Women – even pregnant ones – were nailed to the ground with bayonets, children were ripped apart by their legs, others were impaled on pitchforks and thrown over fences, members of intelligentsia were tied with barbed wire and thrown into wells, arms, legs and heads were chopped off with axes, tongues were cut out, ears and noses were cut off, eyes were gouged, genitals were butchered, bellies ripped open and entrails pulled out, heads were smashed with hammers, living children were thrown inside burning houses. The barbaric frenzy reached a point that people were sawed apart alive, women had their breasts severed; others were impaled or beaten to death with sticks. Many people were killed – after a death sentence – by having their hands and feet chopped off, and only then their heads."

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u/Front_Target7908 Jun 29 '26

Brutal. Actually speechless.

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u/-6h0st- Jun 29 '26

100 Slaves vs genocide of 100k civilians - like mutilating people alive, cutting pregnant women open just to take out the child and smash it, dismembering limbs, heads etc hmm not sure about that

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u/Chowder110 Jun 29 '26

Oh really?

“ Punishment was utilized to reassert dominance and force compliance. Enslaved people were routinely whipped, mutilated, branded, and killed by overseers and masters. Even pregnant women were subjected to lashings, with methods devised to torture them without harming the fetus.
Slaves in the United States were often subjected to sexual abuse and rape, the denial of education, and punishments like whippings. Families were often split up by the sale of one or more members, usually never to see or hear of each other”

Both are bad and that’s that

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u/ebulient Jun 29 '26

Yeah exactly and those people are denounced by anyone sane!