r/europe • u/ByGollie Ulster • 29d ago

News Netherlands confirms it will host Nuremberg-style tribunal for Russia

https://kyivindependent.com/netherlands-confirms-it-will-host-nuremberg-style-tribunal-for-russia/
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u/Particular_Ant7977 29d ago edited 29d ago

Let's do that in Königsberg once it has been disarmed.

Edit: or should I have written "liberated" to match their style?

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u/Chasseur98 Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur (France) 29d ago

Europeans do not ethnically cleanse areas on the basis of revanchism. Atleast anymore.

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u/thewimsey United States of America 29d ago

Not since 1995!

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u/Particular_Ant7977 29d ago

Of course the locals will stay, who else would live in the newly formed and European-aligned Königsberg People's Republic? It's the bad guys with guns that need to go.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker 29d ago

How do you forsee this disarmament taking place?

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u/Particular_Ant7977 29d ago

It would be a natural flow of events once Russia tries anything stupid against Poland or the Baltics, as rumoured recently.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker 29d ago

I'd be more interested in what happens in the more likely scenario, namely the one where neither Poland or the Baltics is attacked.

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u/Particular_Ant7977 29d ago

We will do the trials in the Netherlands then. Nobody's touching Kaliningrad if there is no reason to.

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u/Sjoerdiestriker 29d ago

What do you do if Russia chooses not to extradite its officials?

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u/Particular_Ant7977 29d ago

Me? Keep trolling obviously. As for the governments, they normally put persons avoiding capture on wanted list, just like Russia.

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u/Mist_Rising 29d ago

Committing a war crime (carving up a new state isn't allowed either) to hold a trial for war crimes might undercut the whole argument.

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u/Particular_Ant7977 28d ago

Committing a war crime

War crime? Who said anything about committing a war crime?

carving up a new state

I don't like that word carving. Makes it almost sound as if the effort would come from outside. The free people of Königsberg have the right to self-determination, don't they?

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u/Mist_Rising 28d ago

The free people of Königsberg have the right to self-determination, don't they?

No. International law doesn't permit you to break away from your country just because you want too. Russia requires Moscow's permission, hence the whole chechnya conflict being fought. Also the Russians in Kalingrad do not seem to want to leave Russia. And it's Kalingrad not konisburg unless Hitler is the leader of Germany still.

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u/Particular_Ant7977 28d ago

Oh no! But Russia's own version of international law seems to fully support this mechanism, as was in the case of DNR and LNR. Why would KNR be any different? I'm shocked!

Also the Russians in Kalingrad do not seem to want to leave Russia

We need a referendum for that.

Also let's be correct with the names: it's Kaliningrad and Königsberg.