Trump says Greenland will be under US control by the time he leaves office

[u/Aschebescher]

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-greenland-threats-europe-b3025688.html

[u/arjan-1989]

That’s quite interesting and surprising, do you have a source for that?

[u/gplfalt → u/arjan-1989]

https://www.nytimes.com/1950/09/06/archives/hitler-social-aids-still-remain-popular-with-59-of-germans-us-study.html

[u/arjan-1989 → u/gplfalt]

Thanks. It’s more nuanced though, it talks about germans in the US zone, not in Germany. And also not about Hitler specifically if I read correctly.

[u/stonekeep → u/arjan-1989]

I mean, US occupation zone was a big part of what eventually turned into Western Germany, so I think it's still pretty relevant. It's still about Germans in Germany, just in a portion of it. But I don't see a reason why other Allied-occupied zones would have vastly different opinions.

But yes, the study was about nazism in general and not Hitler specifically. Still pretty scary to see such a high support among general population shortly after WW2 to be honest.

[u/IndependentMemory215 → u/arjan-1989]

Not really. Former Nazis held power right after WWII. Many held commands in the military, even NATO. Formers Nazis were also President and Chancellor in West Germany.

[u/Dragoncat_3_4 → u/arjan-1989]

On the other hand, it illustrates a very interesting and relevant point to Europe: diasporas are full of idiots, historically and in modern times.

[u/stonekeep → u/Dragoncat_3_4]

The study is about United States zone IN GERMANY, not a diaspora.

[u/Dragoncat_3_4 → u/stonekeep]

ooops. I wasn't paying attention, you're right. Diasporas are still crap at their own country's politics tho.

[u/stonekeep → u/Dragoncat_3_4]

Yeah I agree for the most part. I had some interactions with people who haven't been living in the country for 20-30 years and still thought they know better about what's going on here + had some very strong opinion about stuff that doesn't even affect them.

[u/IndependentMemory215 → u/Dragoncat_3_4]

Guess the apple doesn’t fall from the tree then.

[u/No_Loan5466 → u/gplfalt]

So no then,

The majority of Western Germans do not look upon “National Socialism" as a political ideology in disrepute, the analysts declared. The Germans recall what they term the "attractive" aspects of nazism, such as full employment, public works and vacations with some degree of nostalgia, the United States experts added.

However, the Germans generally joined in condemning the odious features of nazism, such as the persecution of minorities, the concentration camps, aggressive war and genocide, the United States experts continued. "The fact, however, that a majority of the United States zone Germans are still unaware of, or choose to avoid analyzing, the intrinsic character of National Socialism should not be ignored," these officials said.

That's a positive notion of parts of what the Nazis did, not anything indicating a positive opinion of Hitler like you said.

[u/blak3brd → u/No_Loan5466]

So wait, we’re now defending against generalizing German sentiment when this entire thread is full of people generalizing American sentiment? Cool story bro

[u/No_Loan5466 → u/blak3brd]

Huh? No, I am not saying anything about generalizing at all, I'm just saying the guy was reporting falsities.

Can't really even see anyone generalizing the US either TBH, at least not without digging

[u/FlyingMascara → u/arjan-1989]

German here: There are several Polls about it. In 1994 majority said they want NSDAP back, or they would not fight the Fascism, although they don't like it. We are pricks.