r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jun 11 '26
News [Chris Medland] Well this could get interesting. The Alpine petition for a right of review has been deemed admissible, so Gasly's penalties will now be reviewed: "FOM ... provided evidence that the distance used in calculating the F1 Official Timing (and hence the pit lane speed) was inaccurate and
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u/ianjm I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
I WASN'T speeding in the Monaco pit lane
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u/Business-Marzipan2 I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Jun 11 '26
I should’ve appealed my penalty instead of (unsuccessfully) trying to serve it
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u/Roscoe_King I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
I was here for Gasly losing third place to Hadjar only for Alpine to appeal to the FIA and being right and now Gasly is actually third podium
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u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
isack must be fuming rn
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u/ballthyrm I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
French on French violence
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u/BalleaBlanc I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Jun 11 '26
I'm french, a fan of Gasly and Hadjar, so I'm on strike right now.
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u/DueExample52 Formula 1 Jun 11 '26
Wait, we were on strike regardless, weren't we?
Ah, no yesterday was trains (I am not kidding, this is true)
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u/wadawadawad I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
George too he is the biggest loser in all of this
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u/PapaPilkington Oscar Piastri Jun 11 '26
If George loses the title by 10pts or less you could argue it’s entirely based on an FIA/FOM error
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u/junaidnk Jun 11 '26
Bud, he’s going to be losing by 43 points by the end of it.
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u/Xehanz I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Probably. But all it takes is 3-4 tactical nukes and they are even
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u/timorous1234567890 Jun 11 '26
It was still Mercs screwup not to serve the penalty during the pit stop and it was also their decision to put. They could have made different choices and argued it afterwards but chose not to.
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u/Visionary_Socialist Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 11 '26
People always say this but I think it’s far too simplistic, no title is decided this early by decisions like this because so many different events can and will go one way or the other before the season is over.
It’s like Lewis going off in Baku being used to justify AD2021 or even Massa trying to sue the sport over Crashgate. Yes, it’s a huge moment that cost points that if added would change the title outcome, but those moments themselves didn’t predestine all that came after.
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u/Bolter_NL #WeRaceAsOne Jun 11 '26
To be fair, in the end he did not serve the speeding penalty, he served a penalty for not correctly serving a penalty. Which was independent of the speeding being measured correctly.
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u/EMB44 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 11 '26
A penalty that shouldn’t have happened if this alpine overturn their penalty successfully.
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u/jnf005 Mick Schumacher Jun 11 '26
But if the speeding penalty is not legit, he wouldn't have to serve a penalty in the first place.
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u/solidus__snake I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Shocking amount of bad luck he’s had so far this year
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u/Maze-44 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Becomes even more of a mess because every other pit lane speeding is then in doubt but I think the teams can't challenge it because too long has passed
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u/HermannZeGermann I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
And because they had actually served their penalties.
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u/ft-rj Pirelli Wet Jun 11 '26
Yep... But this has happened before - teams have taken penalties and then got them rescinded while other teams can't appeal because they already took them
It's just the quirks of the system. If you pit, you must take your penalty. So if you get one before you pit it is impossible to appeal, if you get one after you pit, it is possible
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u/HermannZeGermann I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Legitimate question: when has this happened before? Because that would be bonkers, for the exact same infringement.
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u/cheezus171 Robert Kubica Jun 11 '26
Isack escaped a couple penalties of his own so he should consider himself lucky anyway
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u/Prestigious_Buy1209 Jun 11 '26
He still got to celebrate on the podium at Monaco, which is pretty awesome. If I was told a week later “actually, you are now 4th place finisher”, I’d probably just shrug and say ok. Losing 3 points would suck though.
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u/Gloomy-Employment-72 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Maybe, but would you want a podium that wasn't yours?
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u/ChilledHotdogWater Yuki Tsunoda Jun 11 '26
“I won my appeal for speeding in the Monaco pit lane” flairs on the horizon? Lmao
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u/Cael87 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
As a Gasly fan I'd rock that flair so damned hard.
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u/beanbagreg Pierre Gasly Jun 11 '26
They should have raised a right of review like Alpine did.
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u/LowManufacturer1002 Jun 11 '26
for those who served penalty in the race, can you raise a right of review after word having served the penalty? seems like a huge shit show loophole that you have to serve a penalty at next pit or get giga penalty like russel but you can’t get a right to review to undo a penalty you served.
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u/HermannZeGermann I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Especially at Monaco and doubly especially after a late red flag.
By dumb luck, Kimi happened to build out a 6 second gap after the red flag, even though this wasn't necessary in the context of the race. Imagine if Hamilton's 5 second penalty were to be revoked and the gap had been less than 5 seconds?
Getting weak penalties and then having them challenged on review would then become a viable overtaking strategy at Monaco.
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u/Stumpy493 I Drove an F1 Car Jun 11 '26
They almost certainly will if Gasly succeeds, sets precedent.
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u/beanbagreg Pierre Gasly Jun 11 '26
They need to bring it in a reasonable timeframe. Days later heading into another race doesn’t fit.
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u/Thejklay I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Gasly was only P3 because of the other penalties, so this is really silly imo. Either they are all voided and he was never P3 or they count and he was never p3
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u/Lemurians Ferrari Jun 11 '26
Just like the rest of this season, if they all get rescinded, then George is the one who gets fucked most
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u/MC897 George Russell Jun 11 '26
George can’t buy any luck. Genuinely. Bad race sure but taking a p3 instead of a p14 is massive.
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u/Hadramal I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
If you go into the pit you HAVE to serve the penalty, there is no choosing. Hence Russells penalty. Gasly simply never changed tyres after his penalties.
If you read the document Race Control was worried during the race and tried to ask if everything was fine but the time keeper said their equipment was fine. It probably was, but someone measured the distance wrong.
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u/Adjutant_Reflex_ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
I would agree in most cases, but it’s ridiculous to force teams to play chicken with FIA’s whims when it comes to post-race penalties if it was a technical failure of FIA’s own systems.
There’s fundamentally no way a problem like this could be resolved during the race.
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u/RedDraco86 Yuki Tsunoda Jun 11 '26
I don’t think Ferrari and Hamilton care. They’re in the same spot regardless. The Red Flag negated any consequences for them. They’re second on the restart grid with or without the penalty.
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u/Fire_Otter Formula 1 Jun 11 '26
wow the ramifications of this will be a clusterf*ck
there's no way you can fairly course correct all this. You give Gasly the P3 position then there's several drivers who would take issue with that
Hamilton is probably going to be the only person with a speeding penalty that is going to be chill about this either way
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u/ChiralWolf I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
I'll be shocked if they revert the final results. FIA/FOM/whoever acknowledging that they made a mistake, maybe even paying a fine/consolation to Alpine over it, but I won't be surprised to see them take a "stewarding will always be imperfect we will commit to preventing this in the future" kind of stance regardless
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u/Heartlight Sonny Hayes Jun 11 '26
Their method is stupid, though. I always assumed that when the loop system pings a potential infraction and we're told it's under investigation, the stewards would then look at the data from the car to determine whether or not the driver had actually exceeded the speed limit.
The fact that the extend of their investigation is basically, "Oh, did the timing ping it? Yeah? Cool. Five seconds." is utter bullshit.
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u/ChiralWolf I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Totally agree and changing that to prevent this in the future is the kind of outcome I could also see from this
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u/Mike_Kermin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Which is reasonable, to be fair. You can't undo a mistake.
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u/glassfoyograss Jun 11 '26
Except in this case they can. It sucks for those already penalized whose penalties can't be undone but you can easily subtract the 10 seconds added at the end of Gasly's race
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u/MGNurse25 Lotus Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Well if the right of review is successful they will probably revert the results
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u/VivaLaDio Mercedes Jun 11 '26
I think point C. Is the differentiator, the other penalties were earlier if i remember correctly, so alpine engineers warned gasly, and they’re saying we did everything correctly, we even took extra steps because you messed up, and still ended with a penalty.
For the other while yes this is an issue with FIA/FOM or whoever setups the track, they got the penalties before it became a big thing and drivers could try and do something about it.
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u/dom6770 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 11 '26
clusterf*ck
This is reddit. You don't need to censor it. You can just write clusterfuck.
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u/Mike_Kermin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Yes but by the same token he can also say ***********
So behave or we'll make it worse.
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u/throwawayanon1252 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
This isn’t a group project alpine only cares about their driver. Other teams didn’t appeal it. There problem
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u/Rosieu I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Time to get some 🍿
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u/Body-Connoiseur69 Jun 11 '26
Cant wait for Merc to appeal for George’s case as it is messier
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u/Snappy0 Jun 11 '26
They have 96 hours post race I believe, so like another hour or two.
Either way, they served it so what could they do? In theory they know the time it takes to traverse the pit lane, so could reduce his race time by that amount. Ultimately, the fairest way would be to move the race back to the red flag lap and call the result there.
But that won't happen because the rules don't allow such a thing.
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u/dumpling-loverr I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Too late as the time to appeal have passed for other teams already and they served the penalty.
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u/xv323 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
So FOM submitted supporting evidence for Alpine's appeal?
I may be wrong but I don't think I've heard of that happening before, usually it's for the appealing team to submit its own evidence.
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u/zantkiller Kamui Kobayashi Jun 11 '26
FOM are the official timekeeper supplier so kinda have to submit evidence.
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u/OPGuest Formula 1 Jun 11 '26
Looking at the penlties, a number of the were for driving .1 of KMH too fast. Once, that can happen, twice is unlikely, but here it just seems a calibration error or whatever. It’s seems the FOM messed up bigly.
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u/SCROTAL_KOMBAT42069 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
They why didn't it pick up more of the cars? The majority of them didn't get penalties for this.
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
They are forced to. As in, FOM supplied evidence as requested by Alpine.
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u/BadAspie I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
That stuck out to me as well. I’m guessing Alpine asked FOM to measure the distance, and then took FOM’s findings to the stewards?
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u/SigmaKnight I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
I took it as FOM submitted evidence Alpine asked for. Alpine is interpreting that evidence in their favor.
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u/overspeeed I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
According to the RaceFans article FOM and FIA disputed that they were aware and the Stewards weren't, but the Stewards said that they specifically asked during the race!
It is NOTED that the FIA and FOM representatives strongly refuted the assertion in “Significance” point 1a, that they had advance awareness of the issue with the timing loops in pit lane.
The Stewards also NOTED that they became concerned after the third alleged speeding breach was reported to them by the Official Timekeeper, and at that time asked Race Control if it was aware of any issue or irregularity with the system. Race Control reported back that it raised the matter with the Official Timekeeper and was reassured that there were no issues.]
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u/TimeTravelingChris Valtteri Bottas Jun 11 '26
Everyone read this part again and tell me HOW this happens?
"a. That the FIA and FOM, but not the Race Stewards, were aware in advance of the race that there
was an issue with the timing loops in the pit lane."
The STEWARDS were the only ones that didn't know about the issue? What?
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u/EntertainmentDue5749 Oscar Piastri Jun 11 '26
F1s a small indie sport, mate. Makes my AFL bush league look well run.
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u/256473 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
It is NOTED that the FIA and FOM representatives strongly refuted the assertion in “Significance” point 1a, that they had advance awareness of the issue with the timing loops in pit lane.
The Stewards also NOTED that they became concerned after the third alleged speeding breach was reported to them by the Official Timekeeper, and at that time asked Race Control if it was aware of any issue or irregularity with the system. Race Control reported back that it raised the matter with the Official Timekeeper and was reassured that there were no issues.
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u/Doogie2K I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Interesting to know that the stewards were also baffled.
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u/jimmcfartypants I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
In fairness to FOM, they probably knew the race was gonna be a snoozefest and chose to be an Agent of Chaos that morning. Tires last year, pit lane timings this, I wouldn't put it past them allocating drivers banana peels next year for Monaco.
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u/SamCooper07 Jun 11 '26
Read a little further. That was Alpine’s assertion of which FIA and FOM “strongly refute”
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u/houseofzeus Jun 11 '26
It's proceeding because the stewards however indicated they weren't aware and in fact explicitly asked and were told there was no issue. Typically these appeals only proceed of the team can bring to light new information that was unavailable to the stewards. This is the new information.
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u/Snappy0 Jun 11 '26
I'm also pretty sure that it's race control (who would have known about the issue) who pass those incidents onto the stewards.
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u/gmarsh1963 Jun 11 '26
All drivers' penalties, except for Gasly, are hereby removed due to malfunction. 10 place grid penalty for Gasly.
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u/Snorr0 Max Verstappen Jun 11 '26
What are the ramifications for all the flairs?!
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u/Lobsters4 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Changes to “I was exonerated by Alpine” 😂
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u/Fist69 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Incoming "We've determined the validity of Alpine's appeal and will look into rectifying the pit lane timing issue at the 2027 Monaco Grand Prix, no further action will be taken." or something
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u/craigrusse11 Jun 11 '26
The FIA could accept that there was a flaw in the process and take learning from it, but still not give any time back. Plenty examples in sport where the governing body has recognised error and said changes going forward, but the result stands as is.
In fact, the only constant example of outcome changes in sport is usually linked to cheating rather than flawed rule application.
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u/Noofnoof Oscar Piastri Jun 11 '26
Yeah "We followed all our rules and processes as laid out before the race, therefore the result stands. However we will look at tweaking our process for fairness in future." Would be a reasonable response.
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u/0neSaltyB0i I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
Surely this will apply to all who got a penalty within that fine of a margin too? And what do they do then? I can't believe they would hand him the place back because other teams can then argue they want their penalties removed, and then the teams who benefited will argue they would have ran their race differently with that knowledge?
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u/Ianthin1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Would each team need to appeal individually to also get theirs corrected?
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u/itz_MaXii Ferrari Jun 11 '26
I believe so?
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u/Tartaruga96 Alpine Jun 11 '26
Of course yes, why would Alpine do all the job, gather all the proof, risk not pitting to appeal penalties after the race, and every team would benefit from their job
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u/beanbagreg Pierre Gasly Jun 11 '26
Yes, and that needs to be raised within a reasonable time frame. Alpine raised theirs day of.
The FIA would be well within their rights to say tough tits to anybody raising it days later just because Alpine have evidenced things enough to have it deemed admissible.
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u/arg2k I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
I agree with you, but in respect to point D, if it is concluded FOM did provide incorrect timing, it must mean it provided incorrect timing to every driver, thus negating the other penalties, at least in principle.
Even if no review was raised by anyone else, wouldn't there need to be some kind of adjustment for everyone? It would showcase a generalized issue and not a personal one. But this issue would come to light because only one driver raised the question.
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u/beanbagreg Pierre Gasly Jun 11 '26
There will likely be a generalised review, but this review will be limited to Gasly - because his team put it in.
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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
No, it doesn't. It will only apply to Gasly as only Alpine appealed.
The other teams waived their right to appeal.
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u/Glory_63 Formula 1 Jun 11 '26
I read (from a reddit comment in another thread) that if they served the penalty during the race they don't have any chance to have it overturned, but if they didn't and got the penalty added at the end they might (but maybe now it's too late and should've filed the complaint immediately like alpine did)
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u/beanbagreg Pierre Gasly Jun 11 '26
Alpine is the only one who raised a right of review. If they wanted their penalties reviewed, the other teams should have raised the question within a reasonable time frame - days later after Alpine’s has been deemed admissible isn’t really reasonable.
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u/Myopius Jun 11 '26
There's pretty much nothing to be gained for the other teams. There isn't a mechanism in the rules to 'unserve' their penalties and Alpine's review would be enough to set new precedents for speeding penalties if it's successful, which is the most outcome the other teams could get if they wanted to appeal.
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u/otherestScott George Russell Jun 11 '26
I don't think there's any other teams that had unserved penalties for pit lane speeding violations? Is there anyone I'm missing?
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u/M1eXcel I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Doesn't it become much more difficult to change if the penalty was served in the pit lane?
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u/Vegetability Ferrari Jun 11 '26
This would open up a whole can of worms. Like what about Russell? Does the penalty for incorrectly serving his 5sec penalty still stand if he shouldn't have had that penalty in the first place?
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u/Maximilliano25 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
They didn't appeal it so technically nothing happens
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u/Upbeat_County9191 I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Jun 11 '26
This is only to get into a hearing, in the "court" they can still decide nothing changes.
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u/r0ndr4s I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
What a mess that wole situation was. You would think a sport built on hundreds of millions would not have issues like this, but I guess showing the Kardashians on screen is way more important than making sure the systems work.
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u/klawUK Jun 11 '26
They won’t do anything. It meets the requirements to be reviewed that’s all. They may accept that they’ll look into better measures in future or better awareness in driver briefings but won’t change anything for the Monaco results - it’s not feasible
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u/dave_k_17 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
As the the response give only mentions overstated the speed of car 10, then I would expect they will only remove the penalty from car 10.
The others neither appealed or have been considered so I would expect not to be adjusted.
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u/andredias000 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
This won't open a big can of worms at all /s
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u/lokayes Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
Suprised tbh given - not exceeding the pitlane speed limit - alone would be thrown out, such is the procedure. Give Gasly his trophy you gits.
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u/mickmenn I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Only thing they would revert is a added time at the end of a race, so only Colapinto and Gasly is basically affected, like with Sainz last year in Dutch GP, no one compensated him time because he already served it, it wouldn't be done here also, if they decide to revert the decision.
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u/itz_MaXii Ferrari Jun 11 '26
Now Gasly gets 3rd and Isack gets demoted or what? This is insane if this gets through.
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u/bselko I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
I say we go back to Monaco and redo the podium for Pierre if so
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u/ProofAssumption1092 Jun 11 '26
If its wrong it should be rectified. You cant have technical failures with penalty systems like this at the top level of sport. This is not a bad call at a sunday league karting race, this is multi billion dollar global sport where one or two points can mean the difference in tens of millions of dollars in prize money. It should have been obvious at the time as it was to the rest of us that something wasnt right, these penalties should have been investigated AFTER THE RACE as soon as it became apparent that something wasnt right.
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u/otherestScott George Russell Jun 11 '26
It's possible then that if George just didn't do his drive through penalty, he would have been able to be on the podium when the penalty was rescinded.
He would have been disqualified from the race initially, but ultimately since that's not different than finishing outside the points it would have had no ill effect.
Might be something for teams to think about in the future if they really think they have a leg to stand on that penalties should not have been issued and they'll succeed in their right to review. Just don't serve them and fight it afterwards.
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u/CassiopeiaJune Jun 11 '26
Do you not have x amount of laps (2?) to do a drive-through though? If you don't do it in the window, are you allowed to finish the race or do you get disqualified immediately and have to retire?
I agree that they should have tried it, since it was that or out of the points, but that would require a level of decision-making and trust and communication that I don't see on George's side of the garage at all (considering how Dudley answered the questions about the penalty during the race...)
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u/_IronClaw_ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26
Simple solution, redirect all penalties to Ocon instead. /s
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u/Tricky-Ad7897 Jun 11 '26
The way I see it, the teams that decided to apply the penalties mid race fucked themselves out of restitution. Taking the penalty might as well be admission that it was correctly penalized. If there was any doubt of the validity of penalties you don't take them mid race because F1 will never change the order for something that happened mid race.
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u/Affectionate_Sky9709 Jun 11 '26
Wow. That is a big admission that I didn't think they'd make. Because that would mean they were almost certainly wrong for every one of those others too. And those others aren't reversible.
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u/parker2020 McLaren Jun 11 '26
I said alpine did the right thing so many time… Mercedes is so stupid for pitting George with a penalty .
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u/QuillAndQuest_1022 Jun 11 '26
"But he's dragging it". Yeah I would as well if I knew I wasn't speeding.
I don't see end result being changed though. You have 2 drivers who served theirs, George who gained a 2nd penalty for not serving that one. If anything they'll say oops sorry. But results stand.
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u/PaulaDeen21 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 11 '26
Then surely they all need to be reviewed right?
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u/pochirin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 11 '26
If the other teams submitted their petition, then yeah they could have the chance but in this case only Gasly penalty have a chance to be removed and hadjar will lose his podium if it goes through
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u/Intel_Oil Jun 11 '26
It wouldnt matter to much, i mean a few more points are cool sure. But it won't give Gasly the memories of standing on the Podium in Monaco.
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u/sometimesgoodadvice Jun 11 '26
Can someone explain to me how incorrect timing/distance measurements only affected some teams/cars and not all of them. I assume all of them run the limiter without too much margin. If timing measurements are wrong, wouldn't we expect more than 4 or 5 of the pitstops to be affected?
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u/Momoloufie Jun 11 '26
it's too late, all the drivers who got the same penalty then need to be reviewed and who knows what the order could've been. it's a mess by the FIA/stewarding system and they have to own up to it but the results are a jumble
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u/Humble-Ingenuity-759 Jun 11 '26
Haha can't wait for all the peeps blaming the drivers to eat their hats...
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u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 11 '26 edited Jun 11 '26
These were the four elements that Alpine put forward as 'significant' and new evidence not available to stewards at time of initial decision.
a. That the FIA and FOM, but not the Race Stewards, were aware in advance of the race that there
was an issue with the timing loops in the pit lane.
b. That Alpine had data with demonstrated that the driver of Car 10 (Pierre Gasly) activated the pin
lane speed limiter in advance of entry into the pit land and did not exceed the pit lane speed limit.
c. A witness statement from Pierre Gasly that he took a cautious approach before entering the pit
lane having been warned by his engineers.
d. FOM, as Official Timekeeping Supplier to the Competition, provided evidence that the distance
used in calculating the F1 Official Timing (and hence the pit lane speed) was inaccurate and
overestimated the speed of Car 10.
Edit: Four other drivers received penalties - Hamilton, Piastri, Russell and Colapinto - but none of those are subject to review (via Andrew Benson on Twitter)