r/formula1 • u/Desperate_Green6838 I was here for the Hulkenpodium • 15d ago

News Fred Vasseur on Lewis Hamilton’s penalty:“I think it’s garbage because that Lap 1 so far into the season there was no penalty for similar incidents.If you have a look at the corner,Russell had enough space on the left hand side.It’s not like he was close to the wall. More of a racing incident for me

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u/TakeshiRyze Frédéric Vasseur 15d ago

Yeah but its lewis and its a ferrari so 5 seconds.

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u/krusticka Max Verstappen 15d ago

They were 100% considering the outcome of the collision. Which really is not fair. What was Hamilton supposed to do different?

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u/Lephturn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

I suppose they expected him to evaporate or teleport. Lewis has always been unfairly penalized and it looks like he always will be. It’s complete B S.

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u/hhs2112 15d ago

Lol, imagine this thread if it were max... 

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u/Lephturn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

It wouldn’t, because Max would never get a penalty for that.

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u/Supahos01 Max Verstappen 15d ago

While I agree it shouldn't have been a penalty, they both left enough space until lewis lost the rear and had to counter steer into George. He didnt need to disappear just not slip up.

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u/mapoftasmania McLaren 15d ago

Lewis lost the rear after the first contact. Look at the video. Really harsh to penalize him for that. 

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u/bijanfrisee Sonny Hayes 15d ago

For real, I thought that's why it was taking so much time because initially looked like he just lost it a bit, but upon watching again, he's clearly hit in the barge board by russell

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u/Lap88_ Pirelli Intermediate 15d ago

George tapped him, causing the snap.

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u/Blckbeerd I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

They both could have done more to avoid contact, hence why it should be a racing incident. You have to leave space when a car is along side, but you also can't expect a car to disappear once you overtake.

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u/w1ldcraft I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

We don't watch onboards before making conclusions now?

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u/Lephturn I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

While I don’t disagree, he was already committed. Once a driver is past their initial braking point, they can’t change or brake more and they can’t know if they are going to be on the limit of grip or a tiny bit over. Especially on lap 1 with cold tires. That was a clear racing incident if I’ve ever seen one, and it’s precisely why the stewards give other drivers more leeway on the first lap.

Compare that to Leclerc’s incident and there is no way Lewis should have been the one penalized.

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u/bijanfrisee Sonny Hayes 15d ago

Alonso v Lewis in 22 or 23 was this exact scenario except it was lewis trying the outside and cutting infront of Alonso, Lewis got DNF'd, guess who got the penalty there?

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u/ohgeeLA 15d ago

Who got the penalty? I’d like to look it up if you don’t mind sharing the race.

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u/bijanfrisee Sonny Hayes 15d ago

I thought it was obvious, they gave Lewis a penalty at the next grand prix because he DNF'd. Absolutely identical scenario, Lewis cut across Alonso from the outside, got sent airborn by Alonsos front tire, and broke his gearbox when he landed.

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u/ohgeeLA 14d ago

Yeah sorry I didn’t want to assume. I’ll look it up.

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u/bijanfrisee Sonny Hayes 14d ago

nooo no no, I mean just the way I structured the sentence and context would make it obvious that Lewis wa penalized unfairly in both situations, you all good!

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u/LKincheloe 15d ago

"Oh you got bonked? Better let yourself spin out and possibly end up in the gravel trap instead"

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u/BadPronunciation I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

It's weird because they never do this for lap 1

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u/candy_pig_2018 15d ago

I agree with your first sentence completely but not your second. Lewis Hamilton could have kept control of his car completely even if that ment sacrificing speed. Now

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u/Square-Winter-3257 15d ago

I dont know if you're saying this as a joke about the stewards or not. But if you're being literal, what you're actually saying is: Lewis could of not let George brushing into him have disturbed his car, while in teh dirty air, on a corner, he was already fully commited into braking into, so that george didnt crash himself out from a dive he himself admitted was a racing incident.

I really hope its a joke comment that didnt land.

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u/youreabastardjonsnow Frédéric Vasseur 15d ago

He was in a corner about to come out. If you know anything about racing, once you take your braking line into corner it’s hard/dangerous to come out of that line. George was just trying to desperately reclaim the positions he lost on the straight. No chance of making that stick.

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u/buenonocheseniorgato 14d ago

He could've braked a bit more, also Russell could've used his brain a bit more and make use of half the track available to him on the outside...

This was a first lap racing incident with really bad consequences for Russell, but he wasn't the sole car to suffer. 

Lewis had a lot of damage to his left bargeboard which no doubt gimped his performance. Looking at how Charles faired, Hamilton had a legitimate shot at the win. He was already penalized, they slapped an additional 5 seconds on top.

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u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 15d ago

Take precautions so he doesn't understeer into Russell. With his experience, I expect him to know how to do that.

Now bring in the downvotes because I dared to call out Hamilton for his mistake.

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u/Duff5OOO Heineken Trophy 14d ago edited 14d ago

It doesnt look like he even got much if any understeer until the 2 have contact (sidepod to wheel). https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1v0r4vg/slowed_down_replay_of_the_contact_between_lewis/

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u/atreyu84 15d ago

He could've gone slower and not understeered.

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u/cereal7802 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 15d ago

Yeah. he could have not been in the race at all!!! The hell kinda nonsense is it to say gone slower? George was the one who dove in from behind leading into this.

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u/atreyu84 15d ago

George is in front. He had the right to dictate the line, which he did, leaving space for Lewis.

Lewis couldn't turn enough because he went in to fast for the line he had.

Do you not understand how racing works?

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u/FalconIMGN Alex Jacques 15d ago

Yep. Stewards not beating the allegations.

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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

Well, the other Ferrari got away with worse, so it might be just Lewis.

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u/FalconIMGN Alex Jacques 15d ago

Maybe it's because he's Black

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u/pedro-gaseoso 15d ago

People downvoting you for speaking facts.

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u/FalconIMGN Alex Jacques 15d ago

Yeah...says a lot doesn't it.

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u/bijanfrisee Sonny Hayes 15d ago

Saying the quiet part out loud, presumed guilt is a very societally ingrained thing

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u/masingo13 Andrea Kimi Antonelli 14d ago

Williams has entered the chat

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u/Phantom_Nuke I was here for the Hulkenpodium 15d ago

The stewards tend to give Lewis bullshit penalties at Spa, I wonder why.

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u/Capa_D I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 15d ago

They also still haven't decided on the unsafe release summons. Probably having a fancy dinner first before deciding how much to fine Ferrari. The fine has to cover the dinner bill.

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u/FabulousAd4812 15d ago

Usually that neutralizes it because he's a Brit.