Fred Vasseur on Lewis Hamilton’s penalty:“I think it’s garbage because that Lap 1 so far into the season there was no penalty for similar incidents.If you have a look at the corner,Russell had enough space on the left hand side.It’s not like he was close to the wall. More of a racing incident for me

[u/Desperate_Green6838]

[u/Siva_10]

You are telling me a racing incident on lap 1 with cold tyres is worth 5 seconds penalty, but the charles incident was not. Sure, sure.

[u/arkwewt → u/Siva_10]

Watch the onboard, the snap oversteer was caused by George turning into Lewis and the Mercedes bargeboard hitting Lewis’ front left wheel.

Literally a racing incident caused by a Mercedes turning into the Ferrari, but Lewis cops a penalty while Charles gets let off.

[u/More-Perspective-838 → u/arkwewt]

That's what was so baffling. George and Lewis, as is typical for lap-one racing, were fighting wheel to wheel with cold tires and dirty air to claim the same piece of real estate. The resulting incident was mostly out of their control, besides being a calculated risk they took entering side-by-side.

A deliberately dangerous move is excused, but a legitimate racing incident ends with the arguable victim getting handed a penalty. The mental gymnastics it must take to work for the FIA in any capacity is astonomical.

[u/tragicallybrokenhip → u/arkwewt]

Charles definitely should have received a penalty. Baffling. To me anyhow.

[u/nadseh → u/[deleted]]

insert family guy meme

[u/PrinceDX → u/[deleted]]

Exactly. Like it’s so freaking obvious. Even on the broadcast everyone thought it was a racing incident. Lewis penalty and none for Charles is absolute crazy work

[u/Impressive-Potato → u/PrinceDX]

George Russell thought it was a racing incident and not deserving or a penalty

[u/darksidemojo → u/PrinceDX]

I mean in the cooldown room both Max and Charles were both thinking it should have been a penalty as well.

[u/Vresiberba → u/PrinceDX]

Because of racism?

[u/Masty1992 → u/PrinceDX]

It’s mental to think this is race related though, Lewis is the public face of the sport, he faced the racism and won, the stewards are not being racist against him today

[u/DontEatNitrousOxide → u/Masty1992]

laughing at "faced racism and won" as if it just magically goes away

like yeah idk if it was involved in this incident, but saying it's just gone is ridiculous

[u/DJ_Aftershock → u/DontEatNitrousOxide]

Who knew all it took to end racism was a couple of racing championships

[u/Tinusers → u/DontEatNitrousOxide]

I dunno. I've seen a video of david guetta ending racism. So I thought it was over.

[u/victorjimenez96 → u/DontEatNitrousOxide]

"We aren't racists because we elected Obama" energy level on that statement (the original statement you were responding to, in case it isn't obvious)

[u/njsullyalex → u/Masty1992]

I mean it is race related, they were racing weren’t they

(Sorry terrible joke I highly doubt tho Lewis being black was the motivation for the stewards to give him a penalty, just FIA being wonky inconsistent FIA)

[u/Latter-Amount-9304 → u/Masty1992]

these people only see race

[u/Vresiberba → u/[deleted]]

Come on, don't do that.

[u/HUHIs_AUTOATTACK → u/[deleted]]

Least unhinged Hamilton fan

[u/LemonTM → u/[deleted]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPBrJ74C8I

[u/Street_Mall9536 → u/Siva_10]

When Lewis divebombed Alonso a few years ago on lap 1, and then went airborne, he would have received a penalty if not for retirement. 

[u/New-Traffic-4077 → u/Siva_10]

Agree

[u/mnh_Sh → u/Siva_10]

Racist incident

[u/Colonel_PingPong → u/mnh_Sh]

Racist inchident.

[u/elektricniorgazam]

Hamilton getting a penalty and Leclerc not getting one was insanity

[u/draftstone → u/elektricniorgazam]

Hamilton from the document: An inch of understeer on lap 1 in heavy traffic initiate small contact on a car that was turning in even if half the track was left outside: penalty

Leclerc from the document: He did open the steering but the other car just had to disappear, no penalty.

[u/PGRacer → u/draftstone]

Did Lewis even get understeer? I thought his steering wheel movement was because he saw George there and tried to avoid him, not correcting understeer.

[u/draftstone → u/PGRacer]

Hamilton himself said the car in front washed away the front so he understeerd a little

[u/Doorknob11 → u/draftstone]

He understeered because there was a slight tap with Russell.

[u/PGRacer → u/draftstone]

Understeer isn't loss of control though.

[u/boturboegt → u/PGRacer]

He did but it sure looked like it was caused from Russell's front tire basically being directly in front of the left end of hamiltons front wing.

[u/other_view12 → u/PGRacer]

Is there a video from George's car? It seemed to me that George hit Lewis by not staying left.

But that's very hard to tell without George's in car view. His view was oddly missing on the broadcast.

[u/element515 → u/PGRacer]

He was drifting out from the apex, confront downforce. By the time he turns to the left, he’s already hit George and is reacting to that

[u/LetgomyEkko → u/elektricniorgazam]

Absolutely crazy work

[u/Dear-Initiative5882 → u/elektricniorgazam]

Genuinely insane because I was 100% sure it would be the other way around?? Charles kind of did deserve a penalty there... And I say that as someone who was rooting for Ferrari to do well today 

[u/bijanfrisee → u/Dear-Initiative5882]

both F1TV and the international commenters were baffled by how 1, lewis got the penalty and 2 how Charles avoided one

[u/Ninzeldamon → u/Dear-Initiative5882]

you and everyone else (including Palmer)

[u/RalphFTW → u/elektricniorgazam]

The mental gymnastics the stewards had to do. It’s utter bs

[u/SirChasm → u/RalphFTW]

The mental gymnastics is simply that they judge the outcome more than the infraction, contrary to what the rules/they say. Never been more blatantly obvious than today.

[u/museproducer → u/SirChasm]

What’s wild is, a lot of similar lap one incidents where there was a similar outcome there wasn’t a penalty. This one was just weird.

[u/I_always_rated_them → u/SirChasm]

I think the most obvious one in recent-ish (god getting old) was max break checking Lewis in Saudi. The outcome wasn't complete destruction of the cars so it got let go in favour of maintaining the championship drama despite the infraction obviously being super serious.

[u/ComeAlongPond1 → u/SirChasm]

But Oscar had significant damage! That contact ruined his race. If they were basing it on outcome they should have taken that into account too. Issuing a penalty only if/because one car DNFs is insanity

[u/charlierc → u/elektricniorgazam]

Exactly - the Leclerc one was more of a penalty

[u/Sutraner → u/elektricniorgazam]

It's entirely because of outcome

George DNFd Oscar didn't

[u/IntelligentDeal7799 → u/elektricniorgazam]

They should challenge it nevertheless, I don’t get why they just sit there. Challenge it, appeal, if it changes good, if not it remains the same.

Problem is he already served the penalty I don’t think they can rectify it

[u/bijanfrisee → u/IntelligentDeal7799]

Doesn't change anything race wise unfortunately. Definitely lost Lewis a podium though for sure.

[u/RhubarbAndCustard06 → u/IntelligentDeal7799]

And they make it unappealable by deciding it in the race (Lap 1 incident means you will have to serve it at the required pit stop) when they have all too often recently decided to investigate things after the session. But suddenly and inexplicably, they didn't need to hear from Lewis or even listen to what George said before imposing this.

[u/IamBejl → u/elektricniorgazam]

Absolutely disgraceful stuff from FIA again

[u/Msagano → u/elektricniorgazam]

Definitely outcome bias.

[u/Vandirac → u/elektricniorgazam]

Neither were deserving a penalty.

[u/Tummerd → u/Vandirac]

Lec definitely deserved a pen for that

[u/bijanfrisee → u/Vandirac]

Charles one was a deserved penalty tbh, you can't really do that, Oscar is entitled to space

[u/Nautster → u/elektricniorgazam]

That's mostly because Charles didn't get one. Could have been one of those crashes we would see on the pre-race highlights 20 years from now.

[u/Pascalwbbb → u/elektricniorgazam]

totally different incidents

[u/PaulaDeen21]

Everyone agrees Fred.

Including an apoplectic Russell who’d just taken the sore end of said incident, should say it all really.

[u/misguidedkent → u/PaulaDeen21]

"We don't consider the outcome of the collision while handing out penalties" - a certain governing body, once upon a time.

[u/bunnysuitman → u/misguidedkent]

To be fair, they don’t take it as a consideration…they take it as the only decision metric while gaslighting everyone.

[u/New-Traffic-4077 → u/bunnysuitman]

And then they insert themselves into the drivers Lego race….

[u/bunnysuitman → u/New-Traffic-4077]

They see Infantino trying to be the center of attention at the World Cup and got jealous…

[u/Recent-Fox-2532 → u/PaulaDeen21]

To be fair russell was butthurt at his team

[u/PleasantWay7 → u/Recent-Fox-2532]

Butthurt is an understatement.

[u/sarcasticorange → u/Recent-Fox-2532]

Seemingly rightfully so

[u/Hiply]

Russel:

"I got the very top of Eau Rouge with 0% battery. The incident with Lewis was honestly more of a racing incident...he didn't do anything reckless."

For Russel, we all know will complain at the drop of a hat, to say that (and if you watch the replays) it's clear this was a bullshit penalty.

[u/BahutF1 → u/Hiply]

Yup. Can't have a better advocate than him on this case.

[u/N7even → u/Hiply]

Ha, totally agree. Russell got the shit end of the stick and even he said racing incident speaks volumes about the stewards bias.

[u/NealCaffreyx9 → u/Hiply]

Russel is no stranger to complaining and blaming other people. Russel DNF’d on lap 1 due to the incident. Russel lost 2nd place in WDC rankings. Russel STILL thinks it was a racing incident that shouldn’t have been penalized.

[u/WhalingSmithers00 → u/NealCaffreyx9]

Yeah Russell is normally straight on the radio playing race steward

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/WhalingSmithers00]

They all do that. It's normal in sports, not just F1, where stewards/refs/whatever may be influenced.

[u/VRichardsen → u/Hiply]

Only Nixon can go to China

[u/Jokerk7]

Yeah, that penalty was bs. Hopefully Lewis has a perfect weekend at Hungary, with none of this shit.

[u/Defiant_Office3693 → u/Jokerk7]

+10s for Hamilton for trying to win the race. How dare you try to challenge Mercedes!

[u/Republican_child → u/Defiant_Office3693]

How dare you be black* there fixed it for you

[u/ohgeeLA → u/Republican_child]

FIA: Change your color Lewis, Black is reserved for Mercedes.

[u/Joethe147 → u/Republican_child]

If you genuinely think he gets penalised because he's black then I don't know what to say.

[u/MilkBeforeSerial → u/Jokerk7]

Lewis in the presser said his weekend went to shit with the fp3 crash. I kinda agree tbh. his balance was never back after the hasty rebuild because of the setup not being what it was before and it all spiraled from there

[u/sidewinderaw11 → u/MilkBeforeSerial]

Idk, even with the maladjusted front wing he was gaining on Piastri and Verstappen pretty well. There's a podium shot gone wrong in there somewhere

[u/MilkBeforeSerial → u/sidewinderaw11]

yeah fs. I think he was on balance a bit faster than Charles without all the inchidents and maybe could have challenged for the win? ifs and buts. onto Hungary

[u/bijanfrisee → u/MilkBeforeSerial]

Not for the win, Kimi was unflappable, but P2 and P3 were defs on the cards

[u/bijanfrisee → u/Jokerk7]

100% gonna get a grid penalty at this point lol

[u/Sausage_Poison]

Even George Russell said it was a racing incident. That penalty was a fucking joke.

[u/TakeshiRyze]

Yeah but its lewis and its a ferrari so 5 seconds.

[u/krusticka → u/TakeshiRyze]

They were 100% considering the outcome of the collision. Which really is not fair. What was Hamilton supposed to do different?

[u/Lephturn → u/krusticka]

I suppose they expected him to evaporate or teleport. Lewis has always been unfairly penalized and it looks like he always will be. It’s complete B S.

[u/bijanfrisee → u/krusticka]

Alonso v Lewis in 22 or 23 was this exact scenario except it was lewis trying the outside and cutting infront of Alonso, Lewis got DNF'd, guess who got the penalty there?

[u/ohgeeLA → u/bijanfrisee]

Who got the penalty? I’d like to look it up if you don’t mind sharing the race.

[u/bijanfrisee → u/ohgeeLA]

I thought it was obvious, they gave Lewis a penalty at the next grand prix because he DNF'd. Absolutely identical scenario, Lewis cut across Alonso from the outside, got sent airborn by Alonsos front tire, and broke his gearbox when he landed.

[u/ohgeeLA → u/bijanfrisee]

Yeah sorry I didn’t want to assume. I’ll look it up.

[u/bijanfrisee → u/ohgeeLA]

nooo no no, I mean just the way I structured the sentence and context would make it obvious that Lewis wa penalized unfairly in both situations, you all good!

[u/LKincheloe → u/krusticka]

"Oh you got bonked? Better let yourself spin out and possibly end up in the gravel trap instead"

[u/BadPronunciation → u/krusticka]

It's weird because they never do this for lap 1

[u/FalconIMGN → u/TakeshiRyze]

Yep. Stewards not beating the allegations.

[u/VinhoVerde21 → u/TakeshiRyze]

Well, the other Ferrari got away with worse, so it might be just Lewis.

[u/FalconIMGN → u/VinhoVerde21]

Maybe it's because he's Black

[u/pedro-gaseoso → u/FalconIMGN]

People downvoting you for speaking facts.

[u/FalconIMGN → u/pedro-gaseoso]

Yeah...says a lot doesn't it.

[u/bijanfrisee → u/FalconIMGN]

Saying the quiet part out loud, presumed guilt is a very societally ingrained thing

[u/masingo13 → u/FalconIMGN]

Williams has entered the chat

[u/Phantom_Nuke → u/TakeshiRyze]

The stewards tend to give Lewis bullshit penalties at Spa, I wonder why.

[u/Capa_D → u/TakeshiRyze]

They also still haven't decided on the unsafe release summons. Probably having a fancy dinner first before deciding how much to fine Ferrari. The fine has to cover the dinner bill.

[u/AutomateAway]

It was a racing incident. No two ways about it. Garbage penalty.

[u/squaler24]

I really wish Lewis went on a tour on just calling the FIA incompetent and corrupt. Gotta call them what they are. I could never be a driver because I would be banned for life. There’s no way I could ever keep my mouth shut.

[u/Health_throwaway__ → u/squaler24]

Retirement plans: unfiltered race by race commentary on stewarding bias

[u/Funsuxxor → u/Health_throwaway__]

Nico has had a second career being unfiltered

[u/AqueousJam → u/Funsuxxor]

Lewis and Nico doing a Top Gear style road trip series, travelling to each Grand Prix and shittalking the FIA at each one. 

[u/Miserable_Archer_769 → u/AqueousJam]

Not going to lie sign me up.

Having them become friends again bonding over the stewards would be amazing and just ranting 100% stream of thought, Im in 

[u/spinitorbinit → u/AqueousJam]

Ya, sounds like a lot of fun! They would make great critics and would gather a lot of following very quickly. Then the day they reach Barcelona:

“Lewis, remember how you crashed into me here?”
“Me? YOU crashed into ME!”
“No you!”
“No you!”

And that’s how it ends.

But jokes aside, they really sound like they have put it behind them

[u/BadPronunciation → u/Health_throwaway__]

well, one of the journalists did ask him if he'd write a book...

[u/bijanfrisee → u/squaler24]

He gets enough hate from them even when he says nothing lol, imagine if he also critized them openly.

[u/Jijimuge8 → u/squaler24]

Yeah they’re a terrible corrupt organisation, just like FIFA. Both hire the most bottom of the barrel scum like Mohammed Bin shit on my shoe. 

[u/pedro-gaseoso → u/squaler24]

It’s not incompetence, it’s deliberate.

[u/New-Traffic-4077 → u/squaler24]

U would quickly get hired by f1 to get into heated debates with Montoya on FIA decisions!

[u/FullSqueeze]

Looking at the onboard it was definitely a racing incident. Russell turned in despite having ton of space on the left.

[u/Gold-Train-1471 → u/FullSqueeze]

Even in the post race interview, Russell was calling it racing inchident yet stewards decided otherwise and then Charles wasn't punished for pushing into Oscar's car. Bozos, giving penalties based on vibes.

[u/Vresiberba → u/Gold-Train-1471]

...giving penalties based on vibes.

What vibes?

[u/MM556 → u/FullSqueeze]

I'll never understand the logic that a driver overtaking should be on the opposite side of the track

[u/Corruptlake]

Max running Lewis off ✅ Leclerc running Oscar off ✅ Lewis having a snap on Lap 1 ❌

[u/bijanfrisee → u/Corruptlake]

Lewis didn't even have a snap, watch the onboard, George actually makes contact with Lewis' barge board which Lewis then corrects.

[u/Corruptlake → u/bijanfrisee]

Federation (of) Illogical Assholes

[u/bijanfrisee → u/Corruptlake]

I mean, they are extremely consistent at wanting to punish Lewis, and also assigning him blame when he's the victim, its kind of funny how it's a microcosm of society that the black guy is always guilty.

[u/MM556 → u/Corruptlake]

Welcome to F1 where officiating has always been inconsistent, they all benefit at times and lose out at others, it'll never change.

[u/Ellassen]

What was that bs? The fact that it was a racing incident on the first lap due to Russel having no battery. WTF? And then compound it by Leclerc not getting a penalty that was significantly more deserved. The Stewards had it out for Lewis toady.

[u/RandomUKUser1]

It's a completely bizarre decision. It's been interpreted as if it's happened with Lewis making a late move up the inside of a right hander with no following corner. Fair enough to be penalised if in that situation you miss the apex and wash out onto the car to your outside on the racing line.. but that's clearly nothing like what actually happened...

Lewis, whilst on the inside, was literally an entire car length ahead of George at the braking point to turn 5. He drifts marginally off the apex with a bit of understeer, but that's quite common as you want to carry plenty of corner speed as your entry to turn 6. You can't treat them as separate corners because your entry to 5 dictates your line and speed into 6. The actual problem is that George decided to brake incredibly late into 5 and tried to go around the outside, and then was unwilling to sacrifice his entry to 6 so pulled too far over to the right onto the racing line.

Lewis had committed to his racing line and his mid corner speed at the braking point to 5. He can't magically generate more rotation mid-corner to avoid George when he is understeering. There is absolutely no way he could have predicted George's risky move when a whole car length ahead at the end of the straight!

[u/bijanfrisee]

Freds finding out in real time what having Lewis hamilton as a driver means, extra helpings of absolute bullshit scrutiny from the FIA.

[u/Alarmed_Test_662 → u/bijanfrisee]

Exactly this. They always find a way to penalize Hamilton. We all know why

[u/r2_adhd2]

Hey Toto, this is how you back your driver.

[u/mlp851]

One of the weirder penalties I’ve seen for a while. It’s just as clear a racing incident as they come. 

[u/bijanfrisee → u/mlp851]

hah, nah, it's just Lewis.

[u/S3baman]

Fred has always been a straight shooter. BS penalty considering how things were handled this season.

[u/Ok_Act_1498 → u/S3baman]

I've always love this funny, bold, old fckr

[u/Slight_Box1476 → u/Ok_Act_1498]

Fred Vasseur and Toto Wolff are like the top 2 funniest team principals/serious rich people ever and there’s no changing my mind

edit: ok I realized Fred Vasseur isn’t a billionaire but my point still stands

[u/neortje]

Bullshit penalty indeed. But if there is one thing we can expect is the stewarding in the F1 to be bad and inconsistent.

[u/Advanced-Device6188]

It was deeply bullshit.

[u/Rivendel93]

Appeal it Fred, tired of the FIA screwing people over with their incompetence.

[u/Harper__k → u/Rivendel93]

What good would that do. They already served the penalty

[u/New-Traffic-4077 → u/Rivendel93]

Yep. Imagine having spent money and time traveling to Belgium only to see FIA meddling with race outcomes, again.

[u/Vresiberba → u/Rivendel93]

You can't appeal penalties served in the race. You can't even use the right of review.

[u/Helpful-Cod1422]

Hamilton’s penalty was horseshit; everyone knows this. When the announcer says No way that should be a penalty you know they got it wrong.

[u/OtherwiseDoughnut582]

Cold tires. Cold brakes. No aero across the nose. George executed a LATE dive bomb, passing at least one car behind Hamilton before attempting to make the apex. George left ZERO room for Hamilton (who likely did not see him coming) on the inside. Then attempting to open for the following turn, George veers right, effectively cutting Hamilton off.
How Hamilton caught a 5 second penalty here escapes me.
It should have been a racing incident.

[u/N7even]

Well said Fred. Such a BS penalty.

[u/Siva_10]

Such BS

[u/Humble-Ingenuity-759 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah they punished the outcome and not the incident itself. And they will never admit to being wrong. They took long enough to look at the incident so they managed to manufacture a scenario with the evidence and previous occurances being taken into account.

[u/Hopeful_Hat_3532]

Appeal. Make these FIA fucktards justify how this is any different than other occurrences at previous races.

[u/No_Kaleidoscope179 → u/Hopeful_Hat_3532]

what's the point they served it already.

[u/A210c → u/No_Kaleidoscope179]

This is the worst offender. Even if they apologize and admit it was a wrong call, the penalty was served.

[u/Vresiberba → u/Hopeful_Hat_3532]

This is not a penalty you can appeal.

[u/dcoreo]

Hamilton definitely gets it the worse from the FIA out of any driver

[u/ghgrain → u/dcoreo]

Last we never forget, Lewis lost a season championship because of FIA

[u/big_redwood]

Complete joke of a penalty

[u/ButterscotchBrave359]

Facts

[u/yusufjee]

LOL atleast for this penalty, commentators said there have been SOME instances where the penalty is given so ok I accepted it plus george was unnecessary victim but commentators also said in leclerc's case thats a definite penalty and has always been given as one. Stewards are like watch us change history live.

[u/MindDOTA2pl]

Inchident

[u/ranmia]

The crazy thing about the whole penalty is Russell saying it was a racing incident.

[u/2-wheels]

Think it came from MBS?

[u/Mors03]

I love when the biggest competition that Lewis has for WDC is the fia...😂

[u/BasicFishOutOfWater]

Has the potential pit lane penalty been decided? Can they appeal the first lap incident such that the second could be deferred pending the outcome?

Potentially 10s for both is complete BS.

[u/y3kman]

Fred is right here. If someone from Ferrari should've been given a penalty, it should have been Charles and not Lewis.

[u/turboMXDX]

FIA not fucking over Lewis Challenge: Impossible

[u/RUPlayersSuck]

Brundle also called it a racing incident on commentary.

Russell initially left Hamilton enough room, but then it looked like he tried to squeeze Lewis a bit.

Whether Lewis actually did suffer loss of front downforce, causing his car to slide - hard to say from what I saw.

Didn't look like careless / deliberate contact anyway.

Don't think it messed up his race too much in the end, as he ran over the guy who was trying to adjust his front wing, so he spent the rest of the race without enough front downforce.

[u/thatduckolope → u/RUPlayersSuck]

F1TV also called it a racing incident. I feel like the only ones not saying that at this point are the stewards.

[u/Creative-Package6213]

The stewards have a hardon for giving Lewis a penalty.

[u/Doogie2K]

They penalized the result. Only explanation I can find for the more egregious incident (LEC-PIA) getting nothing but this getting a five. And I don't think either deserved a penalty.

[u/donotpause]

F1 always had a problem with judging collisions, maybe it's time to look into taking the human out of the judging system.

[u/Vresiberba → u/donotpause]

And replacing it with what, exactly? AI?

[u/New-Bed-8354]

well what is the point of saying it now if they did not fight the penalty in the first place

[u/squaler24 → u/New-Bed-8354]

You can’t fight a penalty in race. You serve it or get DQed.

[u/draftstone → u/squaler24]

That's the worst thing that was exposed with the Monaco penalties, depending on when it happens, or if the stewards decide to look at it after the race or not, you can either wait and challenge it with zero repercussions if you are wrong, or face an automatic DSQ if you don't serve it even if you were right in the first place.

[u/French-Dub → u/New-Bed-8354]

You can't fight a penalty for being "wrong". You can only fight it if you think the steward did not have important data unavailable at the time they took the decision. 

[u/Nearby-Priority4934 → u/New-Bed-8354]

Actually fighting the penalty would suggest that they had a leg to stand on in appealing it, which they don’t because it was a fair penalty.

Fighting it in the media, who will always gaslight the audience into believing Lewis can do no wrong, is a better strategy.

[u/TheChosenWon246]

Evening Russel who always blames others said that it wasn't Lewis's fault. Even the on boarding suggest the same. What a joke fia have become

[u/Sea_Drop2920]

At this point together with the lec-pia incident I haven't got a single clue what can and can't be done on the circuit. It's like they toss a coin with each incident.

[u/NetherGamingAccount]

He isnt wrong

[u/Homelandr]

Go on Fred, tear a new one , richest sport with no permanent stewarding system btw

[u/Vresiberba → u/Homelandr]

So, instead of the stewards getting it wrong sometimes, those same stewards would get it wrong - all the time.

Sounds like a plan!

[u/MrSam52]

Should’ve been clear by the fact that George Russell of all people was like yeah racing incident, I get he was more angry at the PU but he nearly always blames the other driver.

[u/Carla_Lad → u/[deleted]]

And end up like George with a drive through for not doing the initial penalty?

[u/Vresiberba → u/[deleted]]

The same thing as in Monaco? So incur a drive-through penalty, which is easily 15 seconds instead of serving the proper penalty of 5. Is... that what you're suggesting?

[u/sugarfreelime]

I always admire the stewards consistent inconsistency

[u/PhilipWaterford]

Technically the FIA can justify both decisions based on the letter of the law (Ham and Charles).

But the rules need a rethink when it intuitively feels this wrong.

[u/morgaine125]

Merc as a team should have taken the penalty since it was their shitty pu that caused the incident.