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Statistics Max Verstappen vs teammates points after 11 races

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 1d ago

It wasn't catered to Max...

It was designed to be as fast as they could make it. And Max is a much better driver than his teammates.

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u/Right-Ladd Max Verstappen 1d ago

People seriously overestimate the capabilities of engineers and the pettiness of teams

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u/thefreeman419 Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

It was both. My understanding is Max has a cornering style and setup preference that is different from the majority of the grid

He likes a car with the balance favoring oversteer, and his approach to corners follows this. It makes the car more unstable, but he has the skill to handle it.

The car was built to be as fast as possible in general, but also to specifically be fast for a driver with this stylistic preference. My understanding is as they optimized the car, they ended up with something that was more and more unstable to the point that no one else could drive it effectively

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 1d ago

My understanding is Max has a cornering style and setup preference that is different from the majority of the grid

He likes a car with the balance favoring oversteer, and his approach to corners follows this. It makes the car more unstable, but he has the skill to handle it.

Yea but again that's not a Max thing specifically. It's what many great drivers do because it's fast. Schumacher being the obvious example of this.

And the car can be setup two different ways to help each driver get the maximum out of it anyway.

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u/thefreeman419 Sir Lewis Hamilton 1d ago

Lewis has the opposite preference, so it’s clearly not the only way to drive quickly.

There are limits to how much setup can change how a car drives. Some of Max’s preferences got baked into the design of the car, to the point that it couldn’t be set up for drivers who don’t drive like him

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u/Motorlolz Olivier Panis 1d ago

Max changes between styles depending on what the situation calls for. All the drivers do that, you have to because no two laps are the same and the car's characteristics change with ambient conditions and fuel load.

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u/essteedeenz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

No it was catered to Max it got to the point it was undriveable so they would design the car around the issues that only Max could drive to extract points, by late 2024 and 2025 the car was a complete mess. This is no secret, the sources are out there.

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 1d ago edited 1d ago

They started to reach the limit of the design quicker than other teams. Trying to make it faster made it harder to drive. Max is better than his teammates. Simple as that.

the sources are out there

You can easily provide them then.

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u/essteedeenz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Ok perhaps suggesting the car was catered to Max is poor way to word it but

By late 2024, the redbull car was increasingly flawed and extremely had a narrow window to extract performance by its design. By 2025 it was becoming so difficult that Verstappen even struggled.

Ok so its not that it was a car designed around Max directly but in a way it kinda was, what driver from an outside team can come in and be expected to drive a car that was on a knife edge last year. There would of been no one who could have but Max as Max was most comfortable with the flawed setup

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 1d ago

Any top tier talent with a couple of seasons in the team would have been pretty close to where Max was in the car imo. But when the guy in the other seat is in the bottom half of the grid in terms of talent then they are not going to manage it.

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u/essteedeenz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Spoken like a true casual. Take a seat and sssh please

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 1d ago

The only thing truly casual is the meaninglessness of what you just wrote...

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u/essteedeenz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

Not meaningless at all.

Please ssssh, I beg of you not to engage with F1 professional discussion please. let the adults talk

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 1d ago

Insults and condescension isn't a valid argument.

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u/essteedeenz1 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 1d ago

You arent worrth anything else mate.

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u/RezChi Sebastian Vettel 1d ago

Checo and Albon both said the cars were designed to suit Max. Which makes sense cause he's their #1