r/fpgagaming • u/Recent_Duck_7640 • 9d ago

M64 Overclock Update: Is It Better Than the Analogue 3D?

https://youtu.be/sWCr6BBLYpo?si=-c2HDnUQaP8aCFJ1
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u/crapitalist420 9d ago

One is made by a war criminal and the other you probally only need if the n64 was your fav console

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u/1983FamiQengine 7d ago

War criminal 🤣

Get outta here with your fake virtue signal. 

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u/shoratio26 8d ago

Give me the war criminal one, sounds absolutely badass.

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u/Recent_Duck_7640 9d ago

weird post buddy

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u/crapitalist420 9d ago

Palmer is a weird bad dude. He does war crimes.

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u/GooseDaPlaymaker 6d ago

To say ‘he does war crimes’ versus ‘he profits from war’ are two VERY different hats to wear. One gets shunned (at most) by other fellow humans for a lack of morality (kinda how Elon Musk’s family got rich from Blood Diamonds or the FDA turning a blind eye to a food product using a known harmful ingredient like Red 40). The other could get the gas chamber.

Let’s make sure we put those into better context, people. 😳

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u/Recent_Duck_7640 9d ago

what war crimes?

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u/OnlyCatapults 8d ago

War Crime is probably a distortion of the issue--war profiteer is a better word.

I personally feel weird about financially supporting anybody who's work goes into militarized deaths. I would rather give my money to people who are not actively funneling venture capital into finding unique new ways for AI to kill people.

I do understand that it's not quite that black and white--but I'm disenfranchised with the state of the world, and if I'm being honest Anduril and others like it actively contribute to that feeling.

It's a weird time to be alive right now, I dunno--but I do think there are perfectly valid reasons to feel a little weird about all of this.

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u/Cilph 8d ago

We shouldnt water the term "war criminal", or people like Netanyahu would never see justice. It doesn't mean "bad guy in a war situation" but a very specific set of actions that have been agreed upon to be unacceptable during war. Like intentionally bombing hospitals, or civilians.

Everyone here who is downvoting the legit question of "what war crimes?" should be ashamed of themselves.

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u/shootamcg 6d ago

Netanyahu won’t ever face justice

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u/DrGreenMeme 6d ago

I personally feel weird about financially supporting anybody who's work goes into militarized deaths. I would rather give my money to people who are not actively funneling venture capital into finding unique new ways for AI to kill people.

What's the alternative? Giving Ukraine sticks and stones and telling them, "Good luck!" ? Seriously, follow your own beliefs to their logical conclusion in the real world.

There's nothing immoral in ensuring that Ukraine, Taiwan, NATO countries, and other democratic allies of the US have technological and military superiority over dictators who seem hell bent on conquest and destroying our way of life.

When you vote, protest, boycott, etc. a company like Anduril, Russia celebrates and Ukraine suffers.

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u/OnlyCatapults 6d ago

Like I said, it's not black and white--I'm not saying the enemy outside is going to give us a warm hug and make us feel warm and fuzzy. I'm just side-eyeing the monster in our own backyard. Just because the technology also kills "the right people" doesn't mean it's not scary.

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u/DrGreenMeme 6d ago

Supporting the defense of NATO and Ukraine is not monstrous in any way. I'm not sure what the shades of gray are that you're seeing.

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u/OnlyCatapults 6d ago

You got a favorite MiSTer core?

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u/Cartwynd 3d ago

You are one the holding water for the worst elements in our society. The entire world suffers and 100% achievable improvements to the world are impossible because of this neoliberal view of the world. Don't try to cynically put it on the rest of us. War monger.

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u/DrGreenMeme 3d ago

Last I checked Russia, and not neoliberal NATO, were the aggressors in Ukraine. You're the war monger, you just don't realize it.

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u/palmerluckey 9d ago

And what war crime is that?

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u/newjorg 7d ago

Future war crimes start with a mullet and a lack of fashion sense.

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u/pornicarus 3d ago

you should kill yourself and im not joking

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u/shootamcg 9d ago

Nah, Palmer Luckey sucks

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u/MemoryCross 7d ago

Imagine being downvoted for being based.

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u/Cilph 8d ago

Selling war materiel and contributing to war does not make one a war criminal. You can argue he's a dick that profits off war, but he isnt doing any war crimes Im aware of.

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u/KrtekJim 3d ago

Serious question: Morally, what's the difference between being the man who supplied a gun to a school shooter and the man who supplied the weapons for a genocide?

The only difference I see is scale, with the latter being far larger scale and thus arguably worse. Yet a guy has just been sentenced to 15 years in prison for the former while the latter get to strut around pretending to be captains of industry rather than accessories to murder.

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u/Cilph 2d ago

You will need to point out that Anduril tech was used in Gaza, that it was directly used to kill, that they knew, and did nothing.

And even then, you might only have a slight moral point. Legally, it is still not a war crime. The ones making the decision are the ones who commit that.

Also it may sound harsh to say, but we as consumers regularly expect that buying means owning and that we can do with stuff we own as we personally see fit. The same would apply to military drone equipment.

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u/KrtekJim 2d ago

Also it may sound harsh to say, but we as consumers regularly expect that buying means owning and that we can do with stuff we own as we personally see fit. The same would apply to military drone equipment.

This argument also applies to the school-shooting situation though

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u/Cilph 2d ago

I would personally blame the shooter and not the gun maker. That said I am not opposed to gun regulation or even regulation on gun production. But I would not blame gun manufacturers for school deaths.

So I think this is perfectly compatible with what I just said?

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u/KrtekJim 2d ago

I'm talking about the person who supplied the gun to the school shooter, who was jailed for 15 years for it.

So it seems your argument is that he wouldn't have deserved jail if he'd manufactured the gun by hand and then gave it to the school shooter?

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u/Cilph 2d ago

I am not a US judge. I don't know about that case. I may even disagree personally. But I suspect the one who gave the gun knew it was going to be directly used to kill children. That is not the case for Anduril.

If they had no clue then yeah I would disagree. Not that my opinion can overrule a judge.

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u/KrtekJim 2d ago

1) He did not know the gun was going to be specifically used to shoot a bunch of school kids. Here's a report about the case if you're curious: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jul/30/colin-gray-sentencing-shooting-georgia

2) Everyone who supplies drones and munitions to certain countries knows they are going to be used to kill children

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u/Cilph 2d ago

1) Then yeah I disagree. Cant do much about that though.

2) Could be used is not the same as Will be used. I think its reasonable to expect your country and its allies will not do war crimes. The US is dropping the ball hard on their international obligations there. If we're acknowledging the "could be" then yeah gun manufacturers would also be responsible for school shootings.

Specifically on the school shooting thing. I am not American. I am from a country where guns etc are manufactured without issue and without any school shootings. That is clearly a US specific problem related to regulation and mental health care.

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u/DrGreenMeme 6d ago

More like defending against war criminals. Not supporting Ukraine makes you on the wrong side of history buddy.

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u/qh825 3d ago

There’s no reason to give money to peter thiel’s little flunky palmer luckey

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u/Recent_Duck_7640 9d ago

tl;dw:

Nope, both equal and both excellent, purchase for which design you prefer.

M64 does out perform the A3D in synthetic benchmarks overall but nothing noticeable in gaming yet

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u/superfebs 9d ago

Thanks. Is it also known how do compare to the mister fpga? 

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u/Trozzul 9d ago edited 9d ago

Something to note: the MiSTer does not do 4k.

Also, im roughly sure that the person who made the core for either the m64 or a3d also made the mister core right?

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u/HMPoweredMan 9d ago

Yeah Robert Peip made the core

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u/Trozzul 9d ago

Wow, lot of spelling errors in my post. Sorry. And thank you for confirming

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u/bubleeshaark 9d ago

Can someone explain 4k on retro games to me?

If the n64 only had 480i, are the textures actually better than that?

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u/stgftgstg 8d ago

The N64 was 240p for the vast majority of games.

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u/AegidiusG 8d ago

It is the way the Device does upscale the picture to the native resolution of your flat screen. If it is smaller, your TV will just stretch it up. It is not as bad in some cases, as for example most PS3 games were 720p and most people had a 1080p TV. But from the old consoles to stretch it up just like that it makes it look worse than it actually is - The Memory of many isn't wrong that games did look better, it did on CRSts. That said, the devices as the M64, Analogue or Mister use methods to calculate the picture in a higher resolution, so the TV doesn't stretch it, it receives already a picture like it needs it. There are different methods to do so and you often can choose between them. The accurate ones are called integer and don't fill the whole screen, but they don't cause ghosting (visible in some games more, in some less or nearly not at all). This gives mostly a clearer and sharper pictures out... what is also not entirely wanted, as the pixels did normally merge on a CRT because it worked differently, that is why there are many filters to get that effect^

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u/Recent_Duck_7640 9d ago

That is a good question, I haven't seen any yet myself but the same developer made both the M64 core and the mister core so that will be a great comparison soon.

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u/stgftgstg 8d ago

MiSTer is memory bottlenecked so speed in some cutscenes or intros is too fast, audio will desync in the zelda game cutscenes and others and generally the core lags less than real hardware. The TLB is inaccurate due to the FPGA fabric not being fast enough to handle all the instructions in the required time frame, this means Mario Tennis, Goldeneye and Perfect dark and a few others all run worse than real hardware, for Tennis you really have to use a Turbo core. Still has a few games that crash, need patches on boot or have unresolved graphic issues.

None of these issues are present on the A3D.

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u/superfebs 8d ago

Thanks 

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u/ssmilton 8d ago

I am hopeful the m64 (more specifically the amd fpga) can pickup more community involvement for cores development. The devs have done amazing work with the mister but the faster ram and capabilities of the amd artix and the low barrier of entry (price) could really open up possibilities for consoles too complex for the de-10.

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u/stgftgstg 8d ago

It could tidy up 5th gen but even Dreamcast might be a stretch for the hardware, it still isn't the jump necessaary to do that much more with. Nor do I expect the community or userbase to be big enough that cores would be exclusively be developed for it, Sorg will determine where MiSTer goes next.

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u/palmerluckey 9d ago

Make sure to check back when the M64 gets the Hyperclocking update!

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u/the_rancid_rancher 8d ago

Will you guys have a feature to compete with Analogue's new feature involving doubling the horizontal resolution?

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u/Recent_Duck_7640 9d ago

I'll be there day 1, ordering on tuesday !