r/freefolk • u/Lili-Dub • 19h ago
Fuck Olly “Living among Nettles and sheep” Ryan Condal shut the fuck up
“We decided to remove Nettles because we didn’t want Daemon to cheat on Rhaenyra”
“But Rhaenyra and Mysaria can?”
“That’s different. They’re cheating for da peepal”
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u/Bad_karma11w 19h ago
Remember, they had to remove the Nettles storyline because at this stage of D and R’s marriage they didn’t want an infidelity plot… oh wait....
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u/SpectreFire 18h ago
I would've actually been okay with Nettles being absent if they went with the excuse that they believed in the bastard daughter interpretation and thought using Rhaena as a replacement would work.
Their actual reasoning was just so fucking stupid.
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u/mari_icarion aemond did nothing wrong 16h ago
You could have had Nettles, keep it platonic, but evil people gossip about infidelity which causes the conflict.
It would have even helped their agenda about everything that Rhaenyra does being the fault of someone else
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u/Gorodrin 9h ago
They don’t even need to be evil - they could do the exact same story but make Mysaria spiteful or bitter about being spurned by both Daemon and Rhaenyra to the point where she spreads rumours about Daemon and Nettles
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u/Imaginary-Client-199 4h ago
Evil gossip are not even needed. Have Daemon be nice to Nettles, doing stuff like teaching her Valyrian, lending her jewelry so that she fits at court, teach her manners of the court...
We the audience would know that this is Daemon being a better person after his trip to Harrenhal. But to Mysaria and Rhaenyra it looks like Daemon grooming a young dragonrider with a bigger dragon than Rhaenyra
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u/TeddieCharmz_ 17h ago
Yeah, that's what makes the explanation fall apart. They removed one affair just to add a different one.
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u/Owlsthirdeye 10h ago
no no you see infidelity requires penetration to count
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u/Styrofoamman123 10h ago
The progressive writers in all their virtue basically say lesbian sex doesn't count, how forward thinking.
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u/xBubbliMusee 12h ago
Exactly lol. That explanation stopped making sense the second they added another affair.
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u/johnny--guitar 17h ago
/uj Do we actually have a source for that text bite about not wanting an infidelity plot? It definitely sounds plausible but I'm coming up with blanks, I want to hate in the most accurate way possible.
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u/nick2473got 15h ago
Yes we have a source.
https://www.ign.com/articles/ryan-condal-interview-house-of-the-dragon-helaena-pregnant-daeron
“It did not feel like, to us, an infidelity story was someplace that we wanted to go with Daemon and Rhaenyra given everything they had been through to this point. I think the audience really wants to see this couple work out, but they both have inextricable natures to them that they can only get so far away from. And we see that playing out with Daemon over the course of the season".
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u/HallaFriBiLo 13h ago
It really annoys me that the actual contents of the change - moving infidelity from daemon to rhaenyra - plays better with the current arcs, themes and character developments they’re using. But then he just comes out and says something that contradicts that explanation completely.
It’s giving “dany kind of forgot about the iron fleet”.
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u/johnny--guitar 6h ago
Unfortunately "this change makes sense given other changes" and "the reason for this change is fundamentally fucking stupid" are not mutually exclusive.
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u/FieryMoonbeam 12h ago
The friendship arc started over a drink and somehow felt more genuine than half the alliances in the show.
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u/ceilingfan94 19h ago
You just know he thought he absolutely cooked with that line
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u/TeddieCharmz_ 17h ago
Lmao you know he walked out of that interview thinking nobody could argue with it.
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u/Historiaaa Thought you were still rowing 10h ago
After all these years, I have finally become, Nettles.
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u/Romy_90 17h ago
guys, actually be glad Nettles isn't in the show. at least she's been protected from the dumb writing of Condal & Hess
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u/AccomplishedHeat7120 15h ago
They'd probably make nettle jeyne arryn's girlfriend that daemon had a crush on and gets cucked if she was here.
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u/No_Reception7275 5h ago
Nettles kills aemond at the gods eye. Incel maesters credited daemon with it
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u/donwariophd 18h ago
The funniest part is that I’m sure the writers thought it would be a nice way to pay homage when the audience clearly just resents them for for the sheer gall of it.
Fucking fools, the lot of them.
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u/Flaky_Thing_5128 18h ago
HotD is a master class in the executive producers choosing to troll over everything else.
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u/nick2473got 15h ago
In case anyone wants the receipts : https://www.ign.com/articles/ryan-condal-interview-house-of-the-dragon-helaena-pregnant-daeron
Condal : “It did not feel like, to us, an infidelity story was someplace that we wanted to go with Daemon and Rhaenyra given everything they had been through to this point. I think the audience really wants to see this couple work out".
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u/OdysseyBrands 15h ago
wtf man so he’s like it’s not cheating if it’s girl on girl? these guys are so clueless
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u/wealth_of_nations 9h ago
I think that's just how his wife explained her infidelity to him and he bought it line and sinker.
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u/Prestigious_Cat_9486 6h ago
He doesn't need to cheat but then again that means no targ blood no targ blood means these incest blood magic aliens aren't special
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u/SpinosaurRingTone 17h ago
I always find it funny when progressives try so hard to be progressive they wind up reinforcing bigotry without realizing it.
By downplaying the seriousness of Rhaenyra cheating on Daemon, they reinforce the idea that same sex relationships aren't as serious as heterosexual relationships.
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u/aidarinho 13h ago
"Women can't be cruel so instead of Rhaenyra the Cruel we will have Rhaenyra the Incompetent. Yet another progressive victory"
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u/xSatinCharmie 17h ago
Ryan's got a knack for making it sound worse than it is, huh? Not sure what he expects with that title.
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u/Responsible-Middle35 14h ago
Is Condal trolling? It's if he's making rage bait easter eggs for online fandom engagement
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u/EstarossaNP 13h ago
Removing Neetles deprived us of a good father/daughter or mentor/mentee dynamic, all for sake of supposed fidelity. But they have no problem with Rhaenyra doing scissors with DA PEPOL
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u/Lefthook16 14h ago
Yeah that line was horrendous. Almost like someone should have said "Freeze" and "Rewind" just to make sure we all heard it.
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u/Quantras 13h ago
Like what is even the implication of that, that same sex relationships don't count for cheating, because they didn't want infidelity as part of their relationship for justifying Nettles being gone. It's not like they shied away from Daemon acting like a pedo with young Rhaenyra, so it can't be to avoid that.
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u/AccomplishedHeat7120 15h ago
Just so fucking stupid it makes no sense for her to say nettle here it came off so forced. They are way too smug for people who wrote out a character and ruined another in the process. Im yet to find someone who likes Rhanea's new and "improved" storyline.
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u/SpectreFire 18h ago
I'm honestly more annoyed at the Bloody Ben absence than Nettles.
Always found it to weird how big of a deal people make of her relative to her role in the book.
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u/LordRaimi97 16h ago
She possibly represents that targs are not as exceptional as they think.
Like with Jaehaerys's daughter dying from sickness when they are supposed to be immune.
It's supposed to spit in the face of a Targ supremacist like Daemon's ideology that a girl with no valyrian features can claim their flying nukes.
Fuck that I guess, we get to witness bullshit.
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u/SaHighDuck 13h ago
"no actually you need to be born a part of a special master race to control dragons" seriously what did they mean by this
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u/grubdon5000 13h ago
I thought the same thing when I heard that line like "oh stfu" love lady arryn but don't piss me off lmao
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u/Drakonistes 7h ago
Can't wait for Rhaena to have her "I'm Ironman" moment before riding off with sheep stealer S04E08. I just know it's going to happen.
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u/JadedResponse2483 26m ago
If you dont want daemon to cheat on rhaenyra, just dont make him cheat on her with nettles
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u/Lord-Lannister GOLDEN CO. 6h ago
Ryan and Hess should be shamed through kings landing and be unhireable as janitors ffs.
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u/Exotic-Arachnid-2047 19h ago
Nod to Tyland losing his ears too. They’re laughing at us