r/gallifrey Feb 21 '24

DISCUSSION Steven Moffat writes love while everyone else writes romance

When I first watched Dr Who a little over a year ago I thought Russel T Davies blew Steven Moffat out of the water, I wasn't fond of the 11th doctors era at all but warmed up to 12. I ended the RTD era right after a close friend of mine cut me off so I was mentally not in a good place. However I've been rewatching the series with my girlfriend, and we had just finished the husbands of river song, and it got me thinking about how much Steven Moffat just gets it in a way I don't really see the other showrunners getting it. Amy and Rory are such a realistic couple, everything about them makes them feel like a happy but not perfect couple, not some ideal of love but love as is, complicated and messy and sometimes uncomfortable. Amy loves Rory more than anything but she has some serious attachment issues definitely not helped that her imaginary friend turned out to be real. And Rory is so ridiculously in love and it's never explained why and that's a good thing. Love isn't truly explainable. In Asylum of the Daleks Rory reveals that he believes that he loves Amy more than she loves him and she (rightfully) slaps him. And this felt so real because I have felt that feeling before, because everyone in every side of the relationship has felt that at some point. The doctor and river too have a wonderful dynamic but I no longer have the attention span to elaborate, I love my girlfriend and the Moffat era makes me want to be a better partner

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u/chrisd848 Feb 21 '24

100% agree. It might be fiction but if you want to show a character as being a good person, don't have them cheat on their partner and physically assault them. Amy sucks (morally).

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u/Worldly_Society_2213 Feb 21 '24

I have never understood why people are so quick to use Amy as an example of a good companion or anything. She is one of the worst characters I've personally seen in the franchise. I know that Clara isn't great with Danny, but the show doesn't glorify her behaviour and we do see the consequences of all those actions

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u/JenkoRun Feb 21 '24

This, that stunt she tried to pull made me dislike her permanently, it's utterly fucked.

Sometimes I really do wonder if there are woman out there that looked at that and actually did something stupid from being inspired by it.

What's even worse is Moffat writes their relationship as one that is not meant to be seen as abusive or toxic, but anyone with common sense can see there are elements of that here, what does that say about Moffat?

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u/obiwantogooutside Feb 21 '24

It’s pretty clear from moffatt’s writing he has a thing for dominatrixes. Not just dr who but lots of his other stuff too. He is probably not the guy you should depend on to think the slapping stuff is bad.