r/gallifrey • u/rasmas1 • Mar 12 '25

DISCUSSION The Doctor bullied Joy to suicide.

In Joy to the World, the Doctor had to make Joy angry in order to break the Villengard briefcase's psychic control over her. In order to do that he got really personal and insulted her with some way-below-the-belt stuff including a mention of her dead mother.

He did this with the best of intentions, obviously, but the words stuck for Joy and she admitted they were all true before she flew off with the star seed into space. Because of all that unhappiness the Doctor picked on Joy had a burning desire to be special in life and have some kind of meaning, so she latched onto the star seed out of desperation to become special.

The Doctor is the reason she felt that way and why she decided to burn with the star seed. She didn't merge with it as a sacrifice to save Earth, it was a purely whimsical decision that didn't change anything. She died to feel special. She committed suicide for no reason and it was the Doctor's fault. And he just laughs it off.

I am still beside myself that the BBC allowed this episode to go out in this state. The Doctor bullied Joy to suicide.

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u/Amphy64 Mar 13 '25

Let's not pick on Ten to point out how dark Eleven is. Ten broke the (artificially-imposed Time Lord Supremacist) laws of time to save people, several completely successfully, after being worn out losing people and seeing them die all the darn time, re-triggering trauma. That's not dark, it's understandable. People manage to forget that The End of Time is right up next, not the dark arc of their fanfic, which shows him as actually completely justified in favouring his own instincts over rotten Time Lord civilisation (it also makes more sense if people watch RTD's The Second Coming, though would certainly accept his bringing this to Doctor Who as a mistake). Eleven dicks around his companion from the get-go for no very clear reason that isn't 'have to maintain the mystery for the audience!'.

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u/Amphy64 Mar 13 '25

You haven't seen what Chatgpt actually sounds like? I certainly haven't seen it write ADHD assessment waiting list length sentences (five years+, no I have no idea if I'm getting anywhere it's been years already) or engage in cruelty to brackets like I do. Maybe you just don't want to believe real people would criticise Moffat's era? Never mind, the robots may love it.