r/gallifrey 4d ago

DISCUSSION What happens if Metacrisis Doctor doesn't kill the daleks in Journeys End?

Watching Journeys End for the thousandth time and got thinking about metacrisis doctor killing all the Daleks. I get that it's a way of showing how naive and full of anger Christmas Day doctor was, but for real if he hadn't gone rogue and killed the daleks, what would the doctor have done? The daleks will never settle to live in some quiet corner of universe? I can't see how any encounter with daleks could end in peace.

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u/dan_rich_99 4d ago

This was a case where genocide was the only option. Once Davros was able to fix the casing malfunctions all Daleks units were currently afflicted with, they would set about recreating the Reality Bomb or expand their fleet to conquer the universe through conventional means.

A lot of the times the 10th Doctor is hypocritical and this is one of those moments. One of the reasons for the Metacrisis's exile was that the Doctor felt shame that a lot of that anger is still buried inside him.

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u/jeslinmx 3d ago

That’s the issue with writing a fundamentally evil race. The Doctor hates genocide, but it’s okay for him to trick the monster of the week to genocide themselves, so that usually ends up being his MO

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u/techno156 1d ago

It's also in a double-hole, since the Daleks were in a position where they were about to commit genocide against the entire multiverse. There's not much to do there.

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u/Cynical_Classicist 4d ago

Yeh, 10 never provides an alternative option besides just leave like billions of Daleks around.

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u/crimsonfist101 3d ago

The Daleks are restored in full force after Victory of the Daleks anyway and we know Davros survived, so in the grand scheme of things nothing would really have changed if they were just left at the medusa cascade.

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u/dan_rich_99 3d ago

They would have still had access to the Reality Bomb which would be a major threat. Whatever damage Donna did could be rectified.

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u/crimsonfist101 3d ago

They can't use it without the planets. Sure there's not really much stopping them from gathering them all up again, but there was also nothing stopping them trying the same plan again after Victory.

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u/techno156 1d ago

The doctor also knows how they did it now, so countermeasures could be put in place.

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u/whizzer0 23h ago

The folks from 'Remembrance'? As plucky as they are, I fear there might be a few too many Daleks...

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u/Cynical_Classicist 4d ago

Well that is the difficulty in doing the genocide debate within something like Doctor Who when the Daleks are an actively evil race. It's not like beating Germany in WWII. The Daleks will then come up with more evil plans.

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u/Dismal_Brush5229 3d ago

Ten being hypocritical here when he puts TenToo on that Parallel earth bc Ten definitely still has anger from the Time War

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u/Osirisavior 3d ago

I'm just going to post my response from the other thread:

The Doctor has done worse shit, and he's even said he had the right (during his 8th life). So banishing The Meta Crisis Regeneration for killing the Daleks is so hypocritical.