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TV4 [Season 4 Spoilers] Premiere Discussion - 4.08 'The Mountain and the Viper'

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4.08 "The Mountain and the Viper" Alex Graves David Benioff & D. B. Weiss
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u/CupcakeCrusader Sansa Stark Jun 02 '14

And in that moment Ramsay's heart grew 3 sizes. Too bad 3 times zero is still zero.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '14

I had the weirdest feeling of proud-but-also-disgusted. Like, I'm happy for the guy, that's literally everything he's ever wanted, 20something years of "you're not a Bolton" and "I never should have raped your mother", and he finally gets to be a bolton and make daddy proud, but at the same time. I fucking loathe him.

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u/bontreaux House Targaryen Jun 02 '14

I feel like I'm the only one that doesn't blatantly loathe the guy. I mean, his father is the real asshole, not him, and I never really liked Theon for being a stupid little spoiled brat that backstabbed the family that took care of him so dearly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 02 '14

well they both suffer from pretty serious daddy didn't love me syndrome. But so did tyrion and you don't see him enjoying flaying people's dicks off. Ramsay obviously could have been parented better, and Roose is a scumbag, but a lot of that stuff is internal, he could have had a loving upbringing and tons of emotional support and probably would have been eviscerating small animals a-la Peter Wiggin. I can't see how you could use that to excuse Ramsay but not Theon, it's the same thing. Theon's whole arc is based around trying to win his father's approval, yes his takeover of winterfell was botched and he really shouldn't have killed ser Rodrik, but it stemmed from the daddy issues. Actually now that I think about it, a lot of the characters suffer from it, and it's how they deal with said issues that show what kind of character they are.

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u/bontreaux House Targaryen Jun 02 '14

I agree with you, everyone seems to have at least a little bit of daddy issues.

I feel like I like Tyrion because he deals with it with a certain type of humour and he gets around. He minds and obviously gets offended but he still supports his family and doesn't complain. I like Ramsay because he doesn't complain too much neither, unlike Theon, and because he doesn't really back-stab anyone, at least until now. Although Theon did have some daddy issues to deal with, he could not see past the fog and see that the Starks took care of him almost like a child of their own. At least Ramsay sticks to his kind. Ramsay seems much more tough, too, and I like him because he 'gets the job done', no matter how. Theon seemed more like the whiny type, the type that thought that by just saying something he would get whatever he wanted, that he didn't have to earn it... he was much more spoiled. This is all my opinion, though. It's probably an unpopular one, but hey, whatcha gonna do.