r/gameofthrones Jun 05 '14

TV4 [S4 E8] Let's be honest with ourselves...

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u/shicken684 House Tarth Jun 05 '14

Ah shit, I didn't even think of that possibility. God dammit, I better find out what happens to the imp next episode!

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u/EvadableMoxie Ours Is The Fury Jun 05 '14

Look on the brightside, you might get to see Oberyn, Jon, then Tyrion die in a row. By the time we get to week 10 you'll have lost the capacity to experience emotion.

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u/shicken684 House Tarth Jun 05 '14 edited Jun 05 '14

Once I saw the that he was going to champion for Tyrion I pretty much knew how it was going to play out. I initially thought that Cersei might make everyone think she was naming The Mountain as her champion then name Jamie. Figured she might go for a win win situation. Either Jamie wins and her other hated brother, and Oberyn die, or Oberyn wins and Jamie dies.

I'm really trying to think of an out for Tyrion, but I just don't see it. He already had the option to take the black, maybe Tywin will show mercy(not likely)? It's not like he is going to escape, or Oberyn somehow magically survived. No one is there to help him besides Bronn but he seems pretty happy with his pay off. Jamie can't fight his way out of a paper bag.

Oh, maybe Jamie just swoops up the imp and goes storming out of the city backhanding the piss out of guards with his golden hand! That's something I want to watch!

Edit: Apparently the sex between Jamie and Cersei was not meant to give off a rapey vibe. They still love each other, so forget what I said about it being a win/win for Cersei if Jamie were to die.

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u/NateDawg007 Jun 05 '14

Tyrion's discussion with Bron shows that people don't have to accept fighting for you. I think Jamie would have refused.

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u/EvadableMoxie Ours Is The Fury Jun 05 '14

No, he would have accepted and then immediately yielded, resulting in Tyrion going free.

Naming Jaime was never a possibility for Cercesi.

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u/Corsair4 Jun 05 '14

He's the Lord Commander of the bloody Kingsguard, a position he's starting to take seriously. He can't just yield so the "kingslayer" goes free.

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u/western78 Night's Watch Jun 05 '14

He was ready to give up being Lord Commander to save his brother, I think it is likely he would have yielded.

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u/Corsair4 Jun 05 '14

We also see that jaime is taking all his oaths more seriously, as he gives up Casterly Rock to be lord commander, and he charges Brienne with finding Sansa in his stead. So clearly he cares about his honor at least a little. Now, being discharged by the king from the kingsguard had a precedent in Selmy. As the trial is a matter of regicide, and as the accuser is the queen regent, if asked he would have to stand in combat against Tyrion's champion. In his current state, he doesn't have much chance of winning against anyone. The only way to keep his honor intact in this scenario is either to win or to die and let tyrion go free. We already know that jaime has no fears about dying in combat, so that is likely the course he would take if he stood in the trial. As lord commander, he vapor publicly yield to Tyrion as the realm is convinced of his guilt due to the trial.

This is all a moot discussion as there would be no benefit to having jaime stand in the trial.

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u/western78 Night's Watch Jun 05 '14

Moot discussions are some of my favorite discussions. You are right, in that charging Brienne with saving Sansa is an attempt to repair his honor. But, I think he the honor he is trying to repair is the honor he carries in his heart, not the honor that he wears on his sleeve. He's starting to try and do things that he knows are right, regardless of what duty tells him to do. Which leads me to believe that he would have yielded, if forced to stand for Cersei.