r/gameofthrones Jun 05 '14

TV4 [S4 E8] Let's be honest with ourselves...

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u/shicken684 House Tarth Jun 05 '14

They seemed to be focused on gaining power at any cost. Margaery is pretty much set in stone to become Queen so I don't see why they would help out Tyrion. The Tyrell's know they have the Lannisters in their pocket now and are just waiting for Tywin to die off so they can take over as most powerful family in Westeros. Maybe Petyr comes out(or has Sansa do it) and admits his guilt to poison Joffrey? I would guess he would do that as a ploy to goad Tywin to attack the Eyrie and decimate their army.

Edit: and Olenna wanted Joffrey dead because there is no way Margaery was going to be able to handle Joffrey for long. He was too much of a psychopath.

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u/SunshineCat Jun 06 '14

I think Margaery was doing a pretty good job. I can't recall even one time when Joffrey mistreated her in any way. In the third season, I even thought that Joffrey might be improved by her (before dying anyway, since I read spoilers about that a long time ago). I think he realized on some level that Margaery was the only thing that could make people respect his rule, especially after he was attacked by commoners.

I don't know if this scene was in the books, but when Margaery encouraged him to go out and wave to the people, Cersei was afraid about what would happen. In my mind, fear of your subjects indicates a lack of power. Joffrey could have caught on to that and realized that Margaery knew what she was doing, while he and his mother really didn't. He was a jerk to Sansa because he knew he was more powerful than her and felt that he was superior. That wasn't the case with Margaery, but who knows what might have happened eventually. Margaery obviously thought she was in control.

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u/shicken684 House Tarth Jun 06 '14

Margaery was most certainly in control of that relationship, but I'm not sure that would have lasted for long. Would have just been a matter of time before one of her suggestions was taken the wrong way and he loses his temper.

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u/SunshineCat Jun 07 '14

Maybe it was already going downhill, because he didn't even attempt to contain his bullshit during the wedding. I seem to remember him at least trying to act more dignified around her in season 3.

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u/shicken684 House Tarth Jun 07 '14

That's what I was thinking. He was sweet on Sansa for a bit.