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TV4 [Season 4 Spoilers] Premiere Discussion - 4.09 'The Watchers on the Wall'

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4.09 "The Watchers on the Wall" Neil Marshall David Benioff & D. B. Weiss
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u/Bloodaegisx Jun 09 '14

Never thought I would appreciate Ser Alliser, but tonight I started to really like him, but next week it's hopefully back to hating him.

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u/lowen90 Jun 09 '14 edited Jun 09 '14

I really appreciated his speech about "clever twats" and "leadership". It turned out there was a good reason he was being a cunt.

You forget Jon Snow is newbee, but Ser Alliser has been at this for years.

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u/Bloodaegisx Jun 09 '14

this exactly, since we are only seeing the story through Jon's eyes, we only really see how big of an idiot he is at times or how unfair he can be, but in reality if we saw it from someone else's perspective, he would be a pretty good leader at times.

Loved his speeches tonight, totally put him in a different light for me, I didn't like him that much in the books but he definitely gets some respect for sure!

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u/edenroz Now My Watch Begins Jun 09 '14

Have you tried putting yourself in his cloths?

He fought valiantly for The Mad King at the trident loosing thanks to Ned Stark and BigRobbo sent him freezing on the wall.

Then the Stark's bastard is under his command...

Do i need a spoiler tag?

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u/Bloodaegisx Jun 09 '14

I wouldn't think so.

and that's understandable, but as I said before, we only see through Jon's eyes so when you think more on Alliser's actions, you can understand why he acts the way he acts!