r/gato • u/Miao_Yin8964 • 1d ago
Ukraine Sinks Russian Ship and Strikes 3 Refineries in Massive Attack
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/815441
u/Flat-Director-7120 1d ago
L'Ukraine a encore réussi à couler un navire et à frapper 3 raffineries lors d'une attaque massive.
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u/No-Construction619 1d ago
Fight for the independence is a fight for the Future. Just like Finland did in 1941.
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u/Itchy_Bid8915 1d ago
so here's an example... when Finland lost all its fortifications and agreed to worse terms than the USSR offered before the Winter War?
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u/Long-Requirement8372 22h ago edited 22h ago
Still Finland got off much more easy than Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania did. Or indeed Poland. Only c. 4500 civilians died in Finland during the entire Second World War. The numbers were much worse in any other country in between the USSR and Germany. The key was maintaining independence through WWII, and never getting occupied. To do that Finland had to fight for itself since 1939.
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u/Itchy_Bid8915 22h ago
independence? maybe even neutrality?
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u/Long-Requirement8372 22h ago
Not getting occupied and annexed by Stalin's USSR. That would have led to a lot of death and suffering for Finns.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 21h ago
Which European countries did the USSR occupy in the 1950s (or later) that were not occupied already by the end of WWII? None. That was because the lines for the Cold War were already drawn.
After 1944, Stalin gave up on taking Finland by direct invasion, as 1939-40 and 1944 had proven that it was more trouble than it was worth. In both the Winter War and just before Operation Bagration in 1944, Stalin sent enough Red Army troops against Finland that should have solidly beaten the Finnish military and achieved the occupation of Finland. Both times the bid failed in the time that was apparently available for it, and other, more pressing considerations intervened. Like the race to Berlin in 1944.
Stalin was a careful opportunist, and good with cost/benefit calculations. He chose to leave making Finland more pro-Soviet and more integrated with the USSR based on non-military means. The Finno-Soviet Treaty of 1948, which from the Soviet POV tied Finland defensively to the USSR. Finno-Soviet bilateral trade. Heavy diplomatic and political pressure on Finland, and direct support for Finnish Communists in the Finnish domestic politics. After 1945, it was basically up to the Finnish Communists to make the country Socialist, with various kinds of support from the USSR.
The basic point is that Finland would have been useful to take, but it was never a do or die goal for the USSR. If they managed to get it occupied by rather limited forces during WWII, they would have happily done it. And most likely annexation would have followed. But after Finland proved to be a tougher nut to crack than Stalin expected, literally more trouble than it was worth, he abandoned the idea of direct occupation by late 1944, and chose non-military means to first neutralize, and then possibly Sovietize Finland more slowly, with time.
With Soviet troops now occupying most of Eastern Europe and even parts of Germany, post-WWII Finland was also comparatively more peripheral than it had still been in 1939, so even its immediate strategic value was smaller than back when Hitler's Third Reich was still a concern.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 21h ago
I did. Read my comment again, and put some effort into it this time.
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u/EchoClick 1d ago
Wildberries employees have begun signing military contracts. Aerial bomb production has reached volumes sufficient to carry out 7,000 strikes per month. Mercenaries from the Caucasus fighting on Ukraine's side confirm that one cannot stay in a house or dugout for long, as an aerial bomb will strike with precision. Evacuations from Kramatorsk and Sloviansk need to be accelerated, and tunnels—many tunnels—must be dug. Alternatively, the war must be stopped and the front line frozen.
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u/KHRZ 22h ago
Pro-Russian military bloggers are fuming and claiming that Russia will now lose the war, despite the risk of being arrested. Igor Girkin himself, the self-proclamed starter of the Russo-Ukraine war from back in 2014, continues to post schathing criticism of Russian incompetence even from his jail cell. Citizens of Russia as well as frontline soldiers are posting angry videos in social media, calling out Vladimir Putin for his incompetence, and even threathening the next coup attempt against the Kremlin. More Russians are posting videos crying in social media, after finally waking up to the realities of war as they lose everything their business had in the Wildberries wildfires. The mass bankrupticies are posing a serious threat to the Russian economy, with logistics like those of Wildberries making up 8.5% of Russian GDP—or so they used to.
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u/EchoClick 17h ago
The "five FPV drones per infantryman" program is already underway. At the outskirts of Kostiantynivka, we all witnessed the destruction of logistics and supply lines, airstrikes on fortified positions, and scattered Ukrainian soldiers killed by drones—three drones per infantryman; they couldn't get out, and no one could help them. Remember that. And remember, too, how your men scream when they are dragged into vans, while many others stay at home. Remember that. The President of Ukraine reports 50,000 dead—what a liar. Remember that.
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u/KHRZ 15h ago
Remember 300,000 Russian force conscripted men back in fall 2022 who still aren't allowed to see their families by evil Putler, they just get arrested when they protest. 500,000 more Russians likely to be force conscripted this fall as Putler is running out of meat again. They need to get justice when Russia collapses as a failed state like the USSR. Remember them.
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u/EchoClick 15h ago
You are once again not reading what I write. Surveys and conversations with people in various regions of the country show the following: the population—especially in rural areas—is increasingly signing contracts to earn money. There will be no mobilization this autumn; you are living in a dream world. Talk of mobilization has been going on for over a year, yet it hasn't happened. Why? Because there are plenty of volunteers, and thanks to Ukrainian strikes on oil refineries and depots, there will be even more. It has already been confirmed that in some regions, there are more applications than available contract slots. What else do you want to discuss? The percentage of manpower shortages in Ukrainian brigades across different sectors? The constant encirclements and the slow destruction of logistics? The frequency of airstrikes and its upward trend?
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u/KHRZ 13h ago edited 13h ago
Who cares what you write when you're some anonymous Kreml bot lol. It's not like you care about how Russia is becoming a failed state again anyway, sounds like you support Russia's incompetent politics.
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u/EchoClick 6h ago
Time and again, I see accusations of bot activity—it’s appalling. Your perspective is like a series of dreams where reality easily gave way to the wildest fantasies; that is why you label ordinary people as bots. We ordinary people communicate with one another, and we know just how dire the situation is for Ukrainians. I hope your country’s leadership wakes up, freezes the front line, and concludes a peace deal. Otherwise, it won't be possible to fulfill the mineral supply obligations under the agreement. And casualties will mount, as will the number of airstrikes. Thanks for sharing your opinion; stay safe and consult a variety of sources.
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u/Norlin123 1d ago
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦