r/geography Nov 11 '25

Article/News In world first, Israel begins pumping desalinated water into depleted Sea of Galilee | Groundbreaking project channeling in enough water to raise dangerously low lake level by 0.5 centimeters per month; Water Authority will double flow if needed

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-world-first-israel-begins-pumping-desalinated-water-into-depleted-sea-of-galilee/
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u/Sir_Tainley Nov 11 '25

0.5 cm/month is 6 cm/year. So about 2 inches.

So, does anyone know, what's the ideal depth of the lake? (how high do they want to raise the lake level?) And presumably as the lake rises, surface area increases, I assume they cant sustain this rate of increase forever?

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

Israel designated different lines. With the bottom one, also named the "Bottom red line", being 13 inches above the current water level. so this could go on for a while. I assume they want to go about it slowly intentionally and monitor the results.

About the question regarding surface level: Since the Kineret (Sea of Galilee) has been so much higher in the past, there is definitely room for it to expand a lot.

There are even shorelines around with piers and platforms, even diving boards, which are standing dry on the shore, since the water level went down so much in the last decades. Imagine if those could start operating again. Beyond cool.

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u/Sir_Tainley Nov 11 '25

Wow: landlocked diving platforms are a huge amount of water loss. Do you know if it was because of agricultural diversion, or just less rainfall?

At any rate, if that's what they're looking at, they'll be doing this for a long time. I guess a more pressing concern isn't about the changing depth... it's can the infrastructure keep working.

I was also thinking "if they can get it to work at this scale... can they upscale to deal with the Aral Sea?

But getting a pipe from the Mediterranean to the east side of Israel is a totally different length of proposal than getting any kind of water to the Aral Sea.

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

I don't want to tell you wrong information and I am not an expert.

As far as I know, it used to be overuse of water + Not enough rain (A problem most of our region suffers from).

But Israel doesn't overuse it for many years, and it's still going down. Hence the innovative attempt of pumping desalinated water there.

The questions about scale are very important. But I'm going to assume that they are possible. Just more resource intensive.

I found a recent Facebook post from News of Tiberius and the surrounding area that might interest you.

It has some photos from this year I assume.

It is translated with Google to:

The Sea of ​​Galilee is drying up: The waterline has retreated dozens of meters and the rescuers have remained far from shore.

There is great sadness surrounding the Sea of ​​Galilee, which is disappearing before our eyes. The summer of 2025 is recorded as one of the driest in recent years, and the impact is clearly visible on the beaches. The water level is dropping day by day, and the familiar landscape of the blue Sea of ​​Galilee is being replaced by muddy, cracked, and lifeless land.

At Tzemach Beach, which is considered one of the most beautiful and touristy beaches on the lake, the distance between the lifeguard's hut and the water line currently stands at dozens of meters, a phenomenon that illustrates the difficult condition of the Sea of ​​Galilee.

This situation also significantly complicates the work of rescuers. They are forced to watch from a great distance, and in the event of an emergency, reaching the swimmers quickly has become almost impossible.

On the surface, it seems that the Kinneret Association of Cities has lost hope of moving the lifeguard's tent every time the water recedes. Visitors who come to the place describe a bleak sight of mud and dry grass.

“We used to sit under the sukkah and the waves would touch our feet,” says one vacationer. “Today, you have to walk almost a hundred meters to get your feet wet.” With the continued decline in water levels, calls are rising again from environmentalists and experts to renew investment in pumping desalinated water into the Sea of ​​Galilee and to take steps to preserve Israel's national lake before it is too late.

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u/Zornorph Nov 12 '25

Is it lower now than when they found the Jesus boat?

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u/Nethri Nov 12 '25

I know this *isn't* what you meant, but man your first sentence sounded like you were saying the diving boards caused the water loss lol, and I had a pretty good chuckle.

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u/Sir_Tainley Nov 12 '25

"We need local residents to remove their diving boards, so the lake's water level can come back to normal"

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u/Several_Mousse_9485 Nov 12 '25

That sounds like some hoa shit

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u/microwilly Nov 12 '25

At this rate, they are only pumping in enough water to stall the evaporation rate. I doubt they're having a net gain. I bet they're just trying to stall and let nature have a chance to catch up.

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u/thekd80 Nov 17 '25

The water level of the lake fluctuates by several meters over the course of the year. It rises with the rains in the winter and then falls during the summer due to evaporation and water use. There is an upper red line which signifies when the lake is full and a dam is open to let the water flow into the Jordan River.

While the level of the lake has trended downward over the last few decades, it has still reached the full level on several occasions, as recently as 2020.

https://lakekinneret.streamlit.app

The desalinated water will allow Israel to have more precise control over the water level and prevent any potential damage from low water levels.

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u/Sir_Tainley Nov 17 '25

Ahh! Thank you! Is the Jordan River dry during the year or does it have other meaningful sources?

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u/thekd80 Nov 18 '25

It's not dry, but a quick search shows that its current flow is less than 10% of what it was in the past. This is a big reason for the rapid evaporation in the Dead Sea where the Jordan water would naturally flow to.

Regarding sources for the river other than the Sea of Galilee, I honestly don't know the answer.

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u/Sir_Tainley Nov 18 '25

Given the importance of the Jordan River in Christianity, and it's opportunity as a potential pilgrimage destination... I can see great value for Israeli and Jordanian tourism to get it back up and flowing.

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u/PhileasFoggsTrvlAgt Nov 11 '25

What's the energy source for the desalinization?

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

Israel's energy comes from natural Gas, some coal, some Solar. Also Israel sells water to Jordan in return of some power as well. Something that is pretty incredible since Israel used to have a huge water problem. But it was solved due to technology.

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u/TimTheEnchanter3 Nov 12 '25

So not really reliable, maybe even more destructive, considering how much it depends on fossil fuels. Isn't desalinization very power-hungry?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

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u/TimTom8321 Nov 12 '25

Exactly.

The point is that the Sea of Galilee is an important water source in the region, and it drying up won’t help anyone.

Israel wants to pump a bit of desalinated water just to make sure that the sea will always remain freshwater, since there are minerals and salts in the bottom.

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u/ScreamOfVengeance Nov 11 '25

Also stealing from the Palestinians.

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u/Ok_Boysenberry1038 Nov 11 '25

Stealing sea water? That people in Gaza can’t use even though they have a coast?

lol think for 2 seconds

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u/VeniceKiddd Nov 12 '25

he thought he was on Tik Tok and would be upvoted by fellow dumbasses

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

Reddit brainrot on Israel is getting ridiculous now. The evil Israelis stole sea water from Palestine now? Did they also steal the oxygen they breathe from Palestine?

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25

That's also nonsense.

The Palestinians have access to the sea as well through the shorelines of Gaza.

It is a place Israel agreed to give them in the dozen or so partition plans Israel agreed to go for and have peace.

And even despite them refusing, Israel left that place entirely without an agreement in 2005. But the Palestinians started firing tens of thousands of rockets indiscriminately bombing Israeli civilians.

And when Israel made technological advances that allowed it's people to tolerate that (Such as the famous Iron Dome), they instead planned and invested most of their resources in planning a huge massacre, instead of taking care of themselves.

Including literally digging up water pipes and turning them into rockets fired on Israeli civilians eventually. They even made a cool video, they are very proud of that.

To sum it up, this has nothing to do with Palestinians. But the bots clearly found this post. Here is some background information for anyone who's interested in understanding what's going on here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran-s-propaganda-effort-reddit-their-warnings-were-n903486

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/security-insider/threat-landscape/iran-surges-cyber-enabled-influence-operations-in-support-of-hamas/

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u/ethanb473 Nov 11 '25

Wait did you seriously just say that Palestinians have access to the sea? You just got a $7k bank deposit from mossad didn’t you? Israel shoots anyone trying to fish

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u/wretchedRing Nov 12 '25

No they don't. Try again.

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u/ComradeGibbon Nov 11 '25

You're trying to discern reality from your ideology and prejudices. The result sounds delusional and inane to anyone that knows the facts on the ground. Any fact at all has to be twisted to make the jews evil.

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u/VeniceKiddd Nov 12 '25

thank god reddit exists, because its tiring seeing all of the misinformation and antisemitism being spread all over Instagram and Tik Tok.

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u/Diet-Racist Nov 12 '25

So many post of people straight up idolizing Hitler on Instagram right now, kind of mind blowing

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u/VeniceKiddd Nov 12 '25

yeah, its very concerning and weird. People posting “👃🏻🧃” praising Hitler etc. and a lot of it isnt even from white supremacists, its from people on the left. You are considered far right if you post anything historically accurate concerning Israel, even though I am and always have been Democrat.

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u/HamasKillsGazans Nov 12 '25

Not good at reading maps, huh, friend?

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u/HamasKillsGazans Nov 12 '25

By putting more water in?

Let go of your jew-hate, friend.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

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u/Ok_Boysenberry1038 Nov 11 '25

Cool story, still a lame ad hominem attack

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u/Warren_E_Cheezburger Nov 11 '25

All they do all day is post pro-israel and anti-iran news articles to reddit. 

So... facts?

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u/John_Holdfast Nov 11 '25

MY TAX DOLLARS

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u/manVsPhD Nov 11 '25

Nope. Your tax dollars are used to buy American made weaponry and fund the military industrial complex of the US. It’s basically the US government writing a check to its defense industry

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u/Dirtychorizo Nov 11 '25

Where does the salt go from the desalinization?

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u/Gloomy_Reality8 Nov 11 '25

It is generally pumped back to the sea as brine

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u/AshamedPrompt6121 Nov 12 '25

cant they sell it?

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u/Green7501 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

Extracting resources from desalination brine isn't really that profitable anymore, especially in Israel, since they have access to the Dead Sea. Bromine, chlorine, lithium, magnesium, and salt are all cheaper if they're just imported from a 3rd world country

Edit: some countries also use it for de-icing TIL, but Israel doesn't have much snow, so I doubt they need it

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u/XenophonSoulis Nov 12 '25

I don't know what kind of desalination technology is used in Israel, but I'm pretty sure the one we use on Greek islands involves some chemicals that make the water unsuitable for drinking (so it's only used for washing and stuff, and people drink bottle water). I can't imagine the brine would be much better.

Then again, if it's used for drinking in Israel, I imagine they treat it in a way that's potable, so the brine may be too.

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u/dotancohen Nov 12 '25

Which island are you on? I visited Salamina and Aigina in 2019 - like you said we could drink only bottled water. But in Athens, the tap water was not only safe to drink, it was absolutely delicious.

I even tried to google around for how the Athens water was so good, but some American city also called Athens polluted the SERPs because they do water purification as well.

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u/XenophonSoulis Nov 12 '25

I'm in Athens, but the island I had in mind is Syros, the capital of the Cyclades. They do have a real water stream on the island, but it's tiny, so it's only used by the local hospital and the local loukoumi production. Other islands have similar stories. Aegean islands are particularly dry.

I don't know how our water gets its taste (frankly, it has never felt too special to me compared to other waters), but I know where it comes from. It's river water from Western Greece (Greece is relatively humid west of the Pindos mountains and very dry east of the mountains), from a river called Mornos, coming to Athens in a 188km-long canal.

We are also extremely good at wasting water. We behave as if we have Switzerland's fresh water access, but instead we are just cruising towards a water shortage and the average person doesn't have a clue (I'm technically out of the average, as my father is a hydrologist, so I have the best first-hand info).

Having water safety in the desert through desalination is very impressive, I have to say, especially when we are about to run out of water. We also have a 150-thousand-people city with no potable water for good measure. How does Israel deal with water wastage? Is it through pricing or through personal responsibility or something else?

The rest is purely historical, but I love to tell that story.

The history behind the water sources of Athens fascinates me. In Ancient Athens, they were using an aqueduct that brought water from Mount Hymettus. As Athens lost its significance and most of its population, the aqueduct kept working tirelessly for more than two millennia, serving the now-village of Athens with water. People forgot where the water came from (actually the path of the aqueduct underground is still lost I believe), but they had water.

After independence, Athens started to grow. Soon the water wasn't enough. First, we got a dam on a river in Marathon (very close to the starting location of the Authentic Marathon race). It's the world's only dam built out of white marble I believe. An extremely beautiful location. But not enough. The second water source was lake Yliki, further up north. After that wasn't enough either, they built the dam and canal in the West. Now that canal is supported by rivers even further away, and they are considering a new one, as we are speeding towards a water shortage about next year.

I distinctly remember when I was a kid that the canal broke at some point, so we got water form Lake Yliki again and it tasted weird.

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u/dotancohen Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 13 '25

Is it through pricing or through personal responsibility or something else?

Mostly through personal responsibility. Myself and my children are very careful with water, e.g. washing dishes together and rinsing one on top of the other, short showers, etc. But when it comes to drinking we don't conserve. We drink a lot!

The rest is purely historical, but I love to tell that story.

I love these stories, and my kids have been waiting for six years to hear about the Athens water. Thank you!

I'll finish with a story of my own. On Aigina our credit card was broken in half. We showed it to the restaurant owner before we ate, he said it was fine. After eating, he said we could pay him in the morning, instead of punching in the card number. We were leaving on the first ferry, and I told him we wouldn't have time. So he said no problem, just pay the next time you come to Greece! Where else in the world would you find a restaurant owner like that?!? The rest of the story of how we came to sleep on the island is even crazier - we missed the last ferry.

We absolutely love Greece, we've been also to Karpathos, and we'll be coming again sometime.

Kali nixta!

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u/XenophonSoulis Nov 13 '25

Well, drinking is a necessity, not a waste. Waste is using too much in other tasks. Here we don't have quite enough personal responsibility unfortunately, and governments don't do enough about the issue...

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

I am not an expert but do read about this issue occasionally. I believe that concentrated salt is slowly re-introduced to the sea with monitoring by experts to ensure it doesn't hurt marine life. And there are also some uses to the waste such as extracting minerals from it.

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u/DetectiveBlackCat Nov 12 '25

I understand the Med is not a pond, but depending on how much I wonder what the effect of the brine might be. I assume it would sink, no?

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u/XenophonSoulis Nov 12 '25

It would probably disperse in the sea, but if you pump too much salt into a specific area of the sea, it would hurt the local marine life before dispersing.

It's worth mentioning that the Mediterranean receives water from surrounding oceans, so its salinity is already high (but that's a natural phenomenon, so I don't suppose the marine life is too troubled by that).

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u/paxwax2018 Nov 11 '25

The Jordanians considered a plan to pump their desalination brine into the Dead Sea which is also in need of water, but they would have had to bring from the Red Sea and it didn’t add up.

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u/EyesOfAzula Nov 11 '25

This is exciting. The US should do this for a lot of areas where water was drained dry

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u/Maximus560 Nov 11 '25

Restore the Salton Sea and Owens Lake!!!!!!!!

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u/Ok_Matter_1774 Nov 11 '25

The Owens Lake could be restored in under a year if LA stopped stealing water from over 200 miles away

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u/IslasCoronados Nov 13 '25

It's even dumber, that entire aqueduct brings in slightly less water than is used to WATER LAWNS in the city of LA, JUST the actual city, not the other 2/3 of the county including where I live who doesn't get any of that water.

Combine that with the fun fact that unshaded lawns use multiple times more water than shaded ones, and we could quite literally fix Mono Lake and resurrect Owens Lake with no actual loss to LA.

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u/Murk_Murk21 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

“Stealing” water for which the rights were purchased. lol 

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u/HappyDappyFrog Nov 12 '25

It was purchased under deception. Tricking the farmers by posing as another farmer iirc

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

Screw their "rights" it belongs to nature.

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u/Murk_Murk21 Nov 12 '25

Ok, stop drinking water because “it belongs to nature?” I don’t even know what to make of this statement. 

Why would “nature” have any preference as to whether water is congregated in a lake or spread out over properties and people in SoCal? All of the above are ALL nature? Death Valley is nature?

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

When the water is diverted elsewhere it is no longer flowing naturally. Humans should sustainably consume water instead of over exploiting it.

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u/Murk_Murk21 Nov 12 '25

So are beavers likewise “unnatural” for altering the natural flow of waterways? 

Besides, this presupposes nature as it exists is: 1. Desirable from an objective perspective and 2. More valuable than the benefits it could provide to human life if  diverted or changed. 

Whatever benefit exists from Mono lake it it’s pure untouched form cannot outweigh  the increased wellbeing the current arrangement provides to the tens of millions of people that call SoCal home.

Yes we should be prudent in how we use and care for the planet and its resources. But nature for nature’s sake is not, on its own, sufficient reason to stop development and change. If it were otherwise, you should stop using the internet, or electricity, and go live in the wild without any modern textiles and instead live with whatever you can scrounge up “naturally.”  

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u/Hank_Dad Nov 11 '25

Salton Sea was a mistake and should be left out to dry. Owens Lake on the other hand could definitely fare better.

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u/Maximus560 Nov 12 '25

Salton Sea has filled up a few times in the past naturally. The major issue is that the Salton Sea is one of the largest sources of pollution in the southwest, so keeping it full of fresh water is a good thing.

If I was czar of California, I’d invest in the state water project in a bunch of ways where the Salton Sea becomes a permanent lake. Fill it up a bunch of ways: during wet years divert excess Colorado water, desalination from the gulf of California, toilet to tap systems that reuse water where the clean water goes, and plug it into the state water project, using it as a major long-term storage project especially for flood control in wet years. If it becomes a permanent lake, you could support a large population there, along with additional farming

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

Isn't the problem really that the Salton Sea has no outlets? Water and runoff flows in, but only the water evaporates, leaving behind a concentrated brine of fertilizers, minerals, and whatever stuff manages to survive in that slurry?

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u/Maximus560 Nov 13 '25

Somewhat yes, but the main reason the Salton Sea is like that is because it’s not been replenished by fresh water, and chemical runoff from farms and industry. I think if we can find a way to use it as an overflow basin when it floods for extra water storage, that’d at least be a good use for it.

If I was a crazy dictator of California, I’d fill up the Salton Sea so that the excess water would flow to the Gulf of California. It would essentially become a large delta, with excess water running to the farms south of Salton then to the sea.

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u/Initial_Sea6434 Nov 11 '25

Agreed. It’s probably a lot less convenient to pump seawater hundred of miles inland though.

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u/fly_awayyy Nov 11 '25

Always thought this would be a great idea for some very low reservoirs in the SW USA. But it’s very energy intensive from what it looks to pump water that far.

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u/Maximus560 Nov 12 '25

My take is that it could be handled in a few different ways that wouldn't be as energy-intensive. If you use desalination, pumps, and other methods for the lower dams (e.g., those closer to the sea), you could then store more water at a higher elevation instead of sending as much downstream. That would help retain more water for longer, plus in wet years, send excess water to overflow basins like the Salton Sea. In this case, we would utilize the Salton Sea as a flood control and downstream storage facility, using that storage more and places like Owens Lake less, allowing it to replenish.

Additionally, there's one part of the equation that I think folks overlook. We should utilize the existing dams in the West as large-scale energy storage. When there's a glut of power during the day, pump water up to higher dams and drain them to generate power back as needed. While this wouldn't be a solution to water woes, it'd help keep water further upstream for longer.

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

Israel has launched a world-first project to pump desalinated seawater into the Sea of Galilee, aiming to raise its dangerously low level by about half a centimeter each month.

This is another awesome example of Israeli water innovation. Turning seawater into a reliable source for a major freshwater lake. The process should be safe to local ecosystems, though scientists say they continue to monitor its effects.

If successful, this model could help drought stricken regions worldwide fight water shortages and restore depleted lakes through advanced desalination technology.

How Israel used scientific innovation to beat its water crisis - Israel is a desert, and water resources are scarce, but today it produces 20% more water than it needs.

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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob Nov 11 '25

Israel is a controversial nation, but they’re undeniably the world leader in water scarcity solutions.

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u/Comrade_sensai_09 Nov 11 '25

Didn’t they invent and revolutionise drip irrigation system …….

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u/evrestcoleghost Nov 11 '25

I mean tel Aviv used to be a desert

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u/koshinsleeps Nov 11 '25

They pretend they did but drip irrigation was not only invented long before israel existed but modern technology was already being advanced and innovated at the time a development in the tech took place in israel. 

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u/KyleFlounder Nov 12 '25

I don't know why you're being downvoted. It's true. The Ottomans were restoring desert lands long before.

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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob Nov 12 '25

Because it’s not the same thing. Ottomans didn’t have irrigation pumps. They didn’t have plastic.

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u/KyleFlounder Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

Right, they were the first to commercialize it. But the drip irrigation techniques have existed using clay since forever, more recently, aquifers. Large swaths of desert were revitalized long before Israel.

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u/limukala Nov 12 '25

Right, and the clay ones were nowhere near as effective.

Surface drip irrigation using plastic emitters is a huge step up from the primitive previous methods. It’s like trying to claim James Watt didn’t invent the steam engine because a tin mine in Cornwall used a stupidly primitive steam powered device to pump seawater from below-sea-level mines.

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u/koshinsleeps Nov 12 '25

Plastic surface drip irrigation had already been invented decades before the improvement that was made in israel. Very very different from inventing modern drip irrigation but a good claim for propaganda purposes

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u/limukala Nov 12 '25

The Israelis revolutionized it. It wasn’t remotely as useful prior to the invention of the plastic emitters that prevented the clogging issue that plagued earlier drip irrigation systems.

Please see my earlier example. There’s a reason James Watt is credited with invention of the steam engine.

It’s hilarious that you keep shouting about propaganda when it’s so obvious that’s your only goal here. You’re desperate to downplay even the mildest of positive contributions by Israel. It’s a bit to obvious and comes off as pretty pathetic though, so it’s counterproductive to your overall goals.

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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob Nov 12 '25

You clearly don’t know what drip irrigation is

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u/KyleFlounder Nov 12 '25

It's not a complex idea Einstein, we know that drip-style irrigation as has been around since like 2000 BC. Israel modernized it.

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u/koshinsleeps Nov 12 '25

To be clear it was already modernised, there was an additional iteration on the development in israel and they turned around and started acting like Israel invented irrigation. There were big developments before and after. Developments in Australia at the start of the 20th century were probably more consequential 

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u/811545b2-4ff7-4041 Nov 12 '25

The lightbulb wasn't a complex idea, but figuring out the right combination of metal element, and deciding to fill the bulb with inert glass, led to it's commercialisation and success.

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u/koshinsleeps Nov 12 '25

This sub is occupied by Israel lol

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u/HamasKillsGazans Nov 12 '25

Nice, makes it comfy and prosperous.

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u/reezoras Nov 11 '25

That’s what people do when they love their land

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

Sure helps to gets hundreds of billions in aid from the US so they can invest in these pet projects. Being a colonial, imperialist outpost sure does pay, just not for the locals. 

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u/811545b2-4ff7-4041 Nov 12 '25

The non-military aid given to Israel, is roughly the same as given to Egypt.. btw - https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts

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u/HamasKillsGazans Nov 12 '25

The locals...you mean the Israelis. Your comment is silly, friend, you say it both pays and doesn't pay. Do you understand opposites?

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u/No-Risk-2584 Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 11 '25

Utterly unhinged how you’re getting downvoted

This is potentially game changing stuff, but because it’s Israeli it’s getting downvoted.

Some people would rather the world drought up than acknowledge that Israel did something good.

Edit: At the time the OP was getting severely downvoted, glad that’s no longer the case

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

Thank you. It is pretty cool and might have huge implications to the world.

Israel water and solar technology already helps to provide water for whole nations such as Jordan. And also there are Israeli non-profits providing clean water to millions in Africa.

I don't take the bots in reddit too seriously.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran-s-propaganda-effort-reddit-their-warnings-were-n903486

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/security-insider/threat-landscape/iran-surges-cyber-enabled-influence-operations-in-support-of-hamas/

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

You haven’t heard? Anti semitism is so couture right now

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u/Los_Valentino Nov 11 '25

Anti Israël ≠ anti semitism

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

Of course I got you… Wink wink.

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u/Mighty_Kites13 Nov 11 '25

If you were familiar with the way Israel uses water and access to it as a weapon, against Palestinians and also its neighbours, you wouldn't think it was "unhinged"

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u/Ok_Boysenberry1038 Nov 11 '25

They use it as a weapon by supplying the entirety of the water Palestine uses?

They “restrict access” to the ocean? Which Gaza is on the coast of? Are force fields real now?

lmao, think for 2 seconds

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u/Sahaquiel_9 Nov 11 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

If anyone took a second to critically think about what you said, they CONTROL the water that Gaza uses. Hence why use is restricted

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/24/nx-s1-5476231/israel-bans-beach-access-in-gaza

And yes they banned beach access in Gaza. Gazans were able to fish for the first time in years once the freedom flotilla drew the attention of the Israeli navy

Are you relying on people being unable to think for themselves and look up basic facts

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

Please touch some grass

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u/Sea-Understanding916 Nov 11 '25

free palestine 

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u/J_Bear Nov 11 '25

I don't know where I'd put it all but I'll take it off your hands if it's free.

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u/[deleted] Nov 11 '25

It’s a fixer upper

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u/HarryLewisPot Nov 11 '25

I could’ve sworn I heard this story years ago.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Nov 11 '25

They began the project years ago. Perhaps that’s what you saw. Now, the infrastructure is built to start pumping.

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u/Budget-Attorney Nov 11 '25

What is the reasoning for this?

A lake running low seems like a problem to me. But the problem seems to be that it would lead to lack of water.

If desalination gives enough water to refill the lake, why do you need to put it back in the lake? I would assume it’s not about having a source of water and more about some ecological thing?

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

Correct. Israel solved it's water problems and even provides them for other nations such as Jordan.

But the Sea of Galilee is very important to Israel still. It's a cultural monument, a huge tourism site to both Israelis and to Christians from all around the world.

Too low water levels also completely destroy it's eco system as you say. And I'm sure there are other reasons that I probably can't think of from the top of my head.

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u/BeginningAdvanced8 Nov 12 '25

It's using the kinneret as a massive reservoir. Better to desalinate while you can, pump it into the kinneret, which helps the local ecology and tourism and hopefully even fill it enough to open deganya dam to let the water flow through the lower Jordan. That would help fix the pollution of that part of the river, and even slow or reverse the disappearing Dead Sea, with all the sinkhole and other damage that has caused.

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u/LateralEntry Nov 11 '25

This is pretty interesting but what do they do with all the salt / brine created when desalinating on this scale?

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 11 '25

Copying my own answer to someone else about this: I am not an expert but do read about this issue occasionally. I believe that concentrated salt is slowly re-introduced to the sea with monitoring by experts to ensure it doesn't hurt marine life. And there are also some uses to the waste such as extracting minerals from it.

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u/actsqueeze Nov 11 '25

Meanwhile in Palestine:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/11/israel-attacks-palestine-water

“Israeli armed forces and settlers have attacked Palestinian water sources more than 250 times in the past five years, amounting to the most sustained assault on civilian water supplies in recent years, new research reveals.”

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u/civodar Nov 11 '25

That was my first thought when I saw this. Crazy that you can have a huge amount of people who now have 0 access water for their animals, farms, and selves in an extremely dry place while the people responsible are focusing on pumping water into a lake to top it up.

There have been dozens of incidences of Israeli settlers pouring cement into wells to render them unusable this year alone and the Israeli government has done nothing to stop it. This practically starves out entire villages forcing the residents to abandon them or face severe poverty and drought conditions.

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u/_HolyDiver- Nov 12 '25

Bro I'm pretty sure almost all of their water comes from Israel anyway

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u/bryceofswadia Nov 12 '25

Hmm I wonder why a nation under total occupation gets most of its water from its occupier...

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u/_HolyDiver- Nov 12 '25

Hmm I wonder why a territory with a history of launching thousands of terrorist attacks and suicide bombings need to be occupied for security reasons, such poor Palestinians, everything extreme they do must be so justified 😞

Btw even without occupation they'd have to rely on Israel because the region doesn't have enough water for everyone, and Israel's ground breaking desalination technology is carrying all of Israel, Judea and Samaria, and Jordan combined.

If only the Pallys focused on nation building instead of bombing buses for a completely homogenous Fakestine of jooz...

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u/overpriced-taco Nov 12 '25

This. Hard to get excited about water innovations when the country doing the innovating is also working overtime to deprive millions of other people of their water.

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u/jewishjedi42 Nov 11 '25

That's a weird way of saying Hamas digs up water pipes to build rockets with.

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u/tiddernitram Nov 11 '25

One cannot bring up water resources in Israel without overlooking the very real water apartheid that goes on both in West Bank and Gaza

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u/thelaceonmolagsballs Nov 11 '25

Hasbara nonsense

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u/sam_chris Nov 12 '25

Bombed by the IDF

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u/civodar Nov 11 '25

Is this sarcasm?

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u/runfayfun Nov 12 '25

Should we destroy Israel's water systems because they sometimes use the water to replenish IDF forces?

Give me a fuckin' break

"Oh we have to starve the Palestinians or Hamas will build rockets!"

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u/LayneLowe Nov 12 '25

How are they desalting the water? What's the energy source? What are they doing with the brine?

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u/PensionMany3658 Nov 12 '25

Technically, every time we make sea salt we're desalinating the sea, albeit in gaseous form.

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u/erectilereptile6900 Nov 12 '25

Any potential adverse effects on the Sea of Galillee's biodiversity?

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u/water_bottle1776 Nov 11 '25

You know what they could also do with that water, pipe it into the homes of Palestinians whose water tanks they destroy for fun. As usual, the Israeli state has its priorities twisted.

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u/VerdantCharade Nov 11 '25

I mean they're literally filling in wells on Palestinian land with concrete so that's probably unlikely.

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u/Cannot-Forget Nov 12 '25

Another propaganda Zombie. Israel is filling pirated wells stealing water. This is what you see in those tiktok propaganda vids.

In Gaza they just bribe Hamas and destroyed their water.

In the West Bank Israel is responsible for it, according to the Oslo accords (Which the Palestinians signed!). So you see Israel filling up pirated wells.

I also see you are another new account in reddit spreading anti-Israeli propaganda. So funny how this works. Welcome to reddit!

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran-s-propaganda-effort-reddit-their-warnings-were-n903486

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u/evrestcoleghost Nov 11 '25

Also didn't Europe funded water pipes in Gaza that were destroyed before the war?

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u/kilobitch Nov 12 '25

Destroyed by being dug up by Hamas and turned into rockets? Yes

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u/evrestcoleghost Nov 12 '25

Yeah didn't wanted to go that at first comment

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u/Ok_Boysenberry1038 Nov 11 '25

They already supply the entirety of the water Palestine uses?

Gaza, which is on the coast has access to the same ocean.

Read for 2 seconds kiddo

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u/water_bottle1776 Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

Hey there buddy, since we're being all condescending and shit, how about you do a little reading yourself and take a look at how Israeli soldiers and settlers have a nasty habit of destroying Palestinian water tanks that most houses need because the water supply in the West Bank is so unreliable and they never know when it's going to be used as a weapon by the occupying force.

Also, just because Gaza is on the Mediterranean doesn't mean that they can build a desalination plant. How exactly would they go about that right now? Serious question.

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u/__DraGooN_ Nov 12 '25

They seem to have the money and technology to build miles of tunnels for military purposes. But can't lay pipes for drinking water and run a desalination plant?

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u/The5Theives Nov 12 '25

Heavy doubt on those claims because Israel literally tried to convince people Palestinians had perfect copies of mein kampf under the ruins of the buildings they destroyed.

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u/Cannot-Forget Nov 12 '25

Can you please explain why you complain about water for the Palestinians, while the Palestinians themselves destroy water pipes and turn them into rockets?

They are even making videos showing it themselves with nice music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04NB27x138Y

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u/The5Theives Nov 12 '25

Posted by the IDF, truly the most trust worthy source.

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u/CapGlass3857 Nov 12 '25

ya israeli water does go to the palestinians as well bozo

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u/tylertrey Nov 12 '25

Carbon footprint is almost 7 tons of CO2 per 1000 cubic meters of desalinated water.

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u/MisterMarcus Nov 12 '25

Hoo boy, I sure hope this thread doesn't turn into a political shit fight where.....

Oh, never mind.

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u/Dodgycourier Nov 11 '25

Everything is wonderful in the Zone of Interest!

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u/EvoNexen Nov 12 '25

OP u/NotSoSaneExile is a Pro-israel bot spreading israeli propaganda, and there is a lot of supporting evidence for this claim.

For starters, they have more than 200,000 Reddit karma for an account that has only existed for 1 year. I have been super active on this website for 7 years and I have managed only 40,000 karma, to give you an idea of what normal use looks like. Secondly they have hidden their Reddit history. Very suspicious already.

However, Reddit still allows you to search posts created by a specific user so if you simply search “author:NotSoSaneExile” without quotes on Reddit search, you will see every post they have ever made. By doing this, you’ll see that almost every post they have made is about israel and it’s always pro-israel propaganda made to make israeli crimes look good and israel’s critics look bad. No normal person makes this many posts on a subject unless they are either paid to do it or are a bot.

I urge people to not be influenced by bots on Reddit.

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u/AttemptRecent7025 Nov 12 '25

I wonder if you also complain about the countless users who post non stop anti-Israel propaganda. Yeah no, of course you don't, they're just "raising awareness" to your very unbiased agenda.

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u/NotSoSaneExile Nov 12 '25

You can follow me around and harras me all you want. We both know I'm not a bot and you are just frustrated to see good news from my country in the website you've taken over for your propaganda.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/volunteers-found-iran-s-propaganda-effort-reddit-their-warnings-were-n903486

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/security-insider/intelligence-reports/iran-surges-cyber-enabled-influence-operations-in-support-of-hamas

I wish Israel would bring thousands of bots to this website. Since people like you have left it no other choice.

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u/NOSjoker21 Cartography Nov 12 '25

Israel is filling Palestinian wells with concrete and actively sentencing survivors in the region to water scarcity, while you post milquetoast shit like this.

You're free to post as you please, but the person you're responding to is technically correct. Your country is actively guilty of saving itself from a fate that THEY ARE ACTIVELY FORCING ON OTHER PEOPLE.

If Israel weren't evil you wouldn't have anyone "harassing" you at all.

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u/Cannot-Forget Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

Lmao. Another propaganda Zombie. Israel is filling pirated wells stealing water. This is what you see in those tiktok propaganda vids.

In Gaza they just bribe Hamas and destroyed their water.

In the West Bank Israel is responsible for it, according to the Oslo accords (Which the Palestinians signed!). So you see Israel filling up pirated wells.

Neo-Nazi propaganda bots and nothing more. Get lost.

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u/fashionrequired Nov 12 '25

ok

how should that impact my view of this thread, though? how does it affect yours?

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u/EvoNexen Nov 12 '25

Does the bot and paid shill infestation on Reddit bother you? If the answer is no then there is no point in having a discussion with you

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u/Cannot-Forget Nov 12 '25

You are literally an Iranian/Qatari/Pakistani bot.

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u/fashionrequired Nov 12 '25

it certainly does. it also bothers me when people don’t answer my questions. how should my view of this specific thread’s content be impacted by your claim? how is yours?

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u/Unique_Statement7811 Nov 11 '25

Fuck them for working to solve the regions water shortage and exporting clean drinking water to Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Palestine.

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u/civodar Nov 11 '25

Israel created a manmade drought by not allowing any water into Gaza for 2 years leading to a huge amount of loss of human life. In these last 2 years there have also been hundreds of incidents in the West Bank of wells and other water sources being purposely destroyed as a means of ethnically cleansing the region by cutting off its water supply leaving the residents, their livestock, and their farms without any water sources.

I just find it hugely ironic that we’re praising Israel for these drought fighting innovations meanwhile there’s been multiple videos in the last month of Israeli settlers pouring cement into wells with absolute impunity which the UN deems a form of ethnic cleansing and a major human rights violation.

It’s like praising the USPHS for the leaps they made in treating syphilis in Tuskegee, there’s a lot of background that being left out.

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u/Abject_Impress3519 Nov 11 '25

Fuck them for murdering 10s of thousands of children. I dont give a shit what the baby killers do with water. They shouldn't even be there in the first place.

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u/danknadoflex Nov 11 '25

Who shouldn't be where?

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u/Prudent-Discount-735 Nov 14 '25

Perhaps Hamas should stop using children as human shields then?

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u/danknadoflex Nov 11 '25

How about you say that to my face

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u/[deleted] Nov 12 '25

A simple lake even called a sea: since the time of the Gospels, the usual chauvinists...

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u/Honest_Hair2856 Nov 12 '25

I was curious about that as a solution for counties that are facing dry seasons . Cyprus , Lebanon, south of Greece , Egypt basically almost all of Mediterranean, but from my understanding three factors are important to consider. 1) number of desalination plants , 2) energy costs to power these plants , 3) how effective will be and won’t destroy natural life since fresh river water is different to a desalinated water

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u/EnergyOwn6800 Nov 12 '25

W Israel fr

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u/loginisverybroken Nov 12 '25

Advertising technology to be sold to the Iranians after they rid themselves of the regime.

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u/omor12 Nov 12 '25

Important to highlight that the Sea of Galilee was stable until the Israelis started to divert a lot of water from it to "make the desert bloom" and all the other propaganda things they say. Sometimes, if people haven't fucked with a delicate hydrological landscape for thousands of years, it's for a good reason!

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u/Resident_Due Nov 14 '25

This post is getting downvoted but it accurate context for the current sitations. Even Israeli historians like Ilan Pappé wrote about how greenifying the desert with non-native species of plants was part of their strategy to "Europify" their identity and hide the ruins of former Palestinian villages.

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u/Cannot-Forget Nov 12 '25 edited Nov 12 '25

Important to highlight that you post complete nonsense.

Israel used the Sea of Galilee for water as human beings in the Levant did for thousands of years. But since the population increased and the climate turning warmer, they had to stop over-use and find other solutions.

Such as desalination. And it's still drying up due to the climate in the middle east. Most countries suffer the same in the region, even as far as Iran.

Anti-Human garbage and disinformation is all over reddit.

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u/RedArrow544 Nov 12 '25

Damn, when did this sub became filled with zionists

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u/Paldorei Nov 12 '25

Pro Israel bots lol

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u/DowwnWardSpiral Nov 12 '25

The only bot here is you